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class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140909-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140909-en.mp3</a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep</a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span 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2014:<o:p></o:p></u></b></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Maryam Bakoshi:Dear All, welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting on Tuesday, 9th September 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tobias Sattler:Hi there<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Chris Pelling:ello Tobias :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Chris Pelling:Hey James and Mike :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:Someone is a little huffy puffy on the line<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:SOunds like the ocean. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Sorry, it may be us in the DC office .... we're in a conference room with blasting AC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Val Sherman:Hello All! David Heasley also on the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Amr Elsadr has joined the call, and David has been notedf for attendancem, thanks Val<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Lindsay Hamilton-Reid has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady is also on the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:David Hughes is on the audio bridge<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Kristina Rosette has joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Are we taking a queue on this?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@James, yes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:Can do<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:I was about to jump in<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Ok, I'll raise my hand.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa is also on the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Chris Pelling:can this doc that ICANN has provided for discussion be sent out to us ?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Chris Pelling:might be a useful read over a few times<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Chris, I thought Mike meant these slides?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Chris Pelling:Hey Mary, yes, I can flick through them, but, cant download them<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy:I don't understand the "technical limitation" ... could you rephrase please?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Chris, apologies - I think I sent them around this a.m. and they're on the wiki page too; hang on for the link.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:https://community.icann.org/x/wAzxAg<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Chris Pelling:Cheers Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:The slides did go out this morning<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:Unaffiliated p/p services exist alrady.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:Besides lawfirms?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:Yes. I'll find and post later.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy:Helpful answers, Mike, tx you<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristina Rosette:Numerous unaffiliated providers already exist.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> vicky sheckler:unfortunately need to drop off<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Thanks, Vicky<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:Susan K?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy:It's our fault (Whois Review Team) - and we talked about Best Practices too (for p/p)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy:Escrow can be done privately - with access to the keys by ICANN in the case of emergency/breach/failure<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Susan Kawaguchi:I agree with James<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:Thanks. I wanted ot make sure which Susan James meant. We have nore than one in the WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz:RAA 2013 already requires escrow of customer data on proxy registrations made by registrar or affiliates in connection with the registration. 3.4.1.5 and 3.6 . <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy:@steve: true, but I wonder why Mike Z had questions about disclosure of u nderlying data in the advent of a p/p provider failure<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy:?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Libby Baney:@Steve +1 re need for articulated standard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy:to summarize: choices for p/p terms of service may include both publication and/or takedown (and the customer may have a say in that)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Steve, @Kathy, from our review of the sampled providers who responded, very few distinguish specifically between publication and disclosure in terms of which ground will lead to which.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz:@Kathy: (1) Agree that service provider failure is a separate question (2) re alternative remedies for termination (other than publication), do any providers currently provide them? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:If terminated, surely publication is unavoidable?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:thanks James<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Lindsay, that seems to be the case, if one simply reviews the T&Cs we received. At least one provider makes that explicit ie tells the customer outright in its T&Cs that this is the case.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@Michele: Not sure why you feel a choice between publication/disclosure and takedown is messy. A registrant could be given the choice, right? That would mean the decision is not the service provider's. Have I misunderstood what you were saying?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy:@Steve and All, let's go back to old notes on this topic -- and summaries of agreement<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy:I was just typing what James is saying: disclosure first then publication...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Kathy, did you mean sub-question (d) (on screen now)?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Oops, I meant (c) not (d)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy:@Mary, yes!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@James: +1. Especially with making the distinction between the context of the situation (misdemeanor vs. fellony).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz:I think James was using "felony" and "misdemeanor" metaphorically and not literally. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:@Amr if you paid for services using a stolen credit card you don't have any rights<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Thanks Mary.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@Michele: Thanks. Understood. Yes..., of course, which is why the context makes a difference. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy:Interesting call today!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:SOrry, I have a hard stop at the top fo the hour. THanks everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy:Many good issues touched on <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy:Tx Don and all!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Please let us know if you have any other questions for Amy and Mike.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:merci<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. 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