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Agreed, ideally, the proposed procedures and requirements would be
identical for any form of abuse, from copyright infringement to
spamming. All equally bad, so there is no reason to handle them
differently.<br>
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I do believe however the standard of evidence required should be far
beyond the "good faith belief" proposed by Steve and rather be in
the realm of "sworn statement that can be used in court and carries
penalty if false in any way".<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
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Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 08.10.2014 22:00, schrieb Don
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Steve and Volker.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
also suggest that we view the document within the context of
anti abuse or other requests unrelated to intellectual
property issues. I’m not sure that we want to suggest having
multiple sets of standards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 8, 2014 1:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Discussion draft
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thank you
Steve for providing a basis for discussion, however I felt the
need for certain changes. Please review the enclosed revised
draft for a more balanced proposal. This draft:<br>
- removes the requirement of service providers to make legal
determinations they are not qualified for<br>
- ensures that only the minimum of data required for the
complainant to assess further steps is required to be
disclosed, but more may be at the choice of the provider<br>
- reduces the risk of unsubstantiated or erroneous claims by
including an obligation to legally certify (and be sued if
wrong) all statements<br>
<br>
We might also want to think about an indemnification
requirement.<br>
<br>
Anyway, nothing set in stone, just food for though and further
debate.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
volker<br>
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Steven:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Mary, this should be quite helpful.
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further material for our discussion, and as mentioned on
our call yesterday, I attach a discussion draft for p/p
accreditation policy on Disclose, put forward on behalf of
a number of the IPC participants in the WG. We hope this
helps move the discussion forward in LA.
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 07, 2014 2:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> PPSAI WG<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Wiki page for 10
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