<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div>Dear All,</div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:x="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color: black; ">Please find the MP3 recordings for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held </span>F2F Los Angeles Tuesday, 10 October 2014 9:30-17:30.</font><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></span><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:x="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><font face="Calibri" size="3">Part 1: <a href="http://audio.icann.org/meetings/losangeles2014/ppsai-1-10oct14-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/meetings/losangeles2014/ppsai-1-10oct14-en.mp3</a></font></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color: black; ">Part 2:</span><span style="color:black"> </span><a href="http://audio.icann.org/meetings/losangeles2014/ppsai-2-10oct14-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/meetings/losangeles2014/ppsai-2-10oct14-en.mp3</a><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color: black; ">Part 3:</span><span style="color:black"> </span><a href="http://audio.icann.org/meetings/losangeles2014/ppsai-3-10oct14-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/meetings/losangeles2014/ppsai-3-10oct14-en.mp3</a><o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color:black">Part 4: </span><a href="http://audio.icann.org/meetings/losangeles2014/ppsai-4-10oct14-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/meetings/losangeles2014/ppsai-4-10oct14-en.mp3</a></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><font size="3">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls will be posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style="color:windowtext">http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u><font size="3">Attendance on bridge and adobe connect:<o:p></o:p></font></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Bret Fausett<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Chris Pelling<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Constance Brown<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">David Heasley<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Darcy Southwell<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">David Cake<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Don Blumenthal<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Graeme Bunton<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Griffin Barnett<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Frank Michlick<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Holly Raiche<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">James Bladel</font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Kathy Kleiman<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Keith Kupferschmid<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Kiran Malancharuvil</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Kristina Rosette<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Osvaldo Novoa</font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Paul McGrady<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Stephanie Perrin</font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Susan Prosser<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Theo Geurts<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Todd Williams<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Thomas Rickert<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Wendy Seltzer<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Val Sherman<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Vicky Scheckler</font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="color:black"><font size="3">Apologies:<o:p></o:p></font></span></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><font size="3">Sarah Wyld<o:p></o:p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"><span style="color: black; ">Lindsay Hamilton-Reid</span><o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u><font size="3">Staff:<o:p></o:p></font></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Amy Bivins</font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Caitlin Tubergen</font></p></div></div></div></span><div>Mike Zupke</div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:x="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"><o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Glen de Saint Gery</font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Marika Konings<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Mary Wong<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Nathalie Peregrine</font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Terri Agnew</font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><font size="3">Adobe Connect chat transcript for Friday 10 October 2014:<o:p></o:p></font></u></b></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the PPSAI WG F2F meeting on the 10th October 2014 in Constellation Room<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Nathalie Peregrine:The meeting will start at 09:30 local time (16:30 UTC)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Frank Michlick:I'm hearing promts for the passcode in the adobe room here - but I didn't dial in via phone<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Good afternoon all<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Good Morning to all in LA<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Frank Michlick:Hello from Montreal<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Nathalie Peregrine:Hi Frank, that's because you got in early and you heard me setting up :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:Hi Chris, Hi Franck. People are slowly gathering here but we hope to get started in 10 minutes or so.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Adobe really should make a version of this for the visually impared where you can split it over 3 screens and thus make things bigger as needed<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:ooh noise<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:that guy has a cracking deep voice - he would be great for voiceovers <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling::)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Hi guys are we starting then ? as it is all quiet on the voice bridge<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Nathalie Peregrine:Yes Chris, I gather they're getting ready to start shortly<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:Can everyone hear Don?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Keith Kupferschmid:yes<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Frank Michlick:I do not have any audio in the adobe room<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Susan Prosser:neither do I.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Nathalie Peregrine:please mute your pc speakers when speaking on the phone<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Frank Michlick:Do I have to rejoin to get audio, or do we have to call in?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Nathalie Peregrine:please all dial into the audio bridge passcode PPSAI while this gets fixes<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Nathalie Peregrine:fixed<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Susan Prosser:ok. thanks Nathalie<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Nathalie Peregrine:if you have issues dialing in, please leave meyour number by pm and we can dial out to you<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Frank Michlick:hearing a passcode prompt in the adobe room, but I don't have audio set up there.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Frank Michlick:got audio now<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Frank Michlick:in the adbone room<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Frank Michlick:oops<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Frank Michlick:adobe<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:thumb screws ?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:If any of you participating remotely would like to speak up, please raise your hand in Adobe Connect and I'll make sure you get into the queue.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:voice bridhe has gone quiet<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Frank Michlick:yep , no more audio in the adobe room<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Keith Kupferschmid:we have lost audio<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:Or alternatively, if you are not on the audio bridge, you can type in your comment preceded by 'COMMENT' and I can read it out on your behalf.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:COMMENT - Voice bridfge dead<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:@Chris - we are looking into it<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:apologies for the inconvenience<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:in the meantime, if we can dial out to any of you, please provide us with your number and we set up a dial-out<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:uts back<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Keith Kupferschmid:audio back<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Nathalie Peregrine:we're good now, apologies for the delay. We never have AC issues with this room, and of course, they start today :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:can we unlock the middle tiles please so that they can be zoomed into and moved around ?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:For our remote participants, please either dial in to the phone bridge (or have us dial out to you) if you plan to speak. That's the easiest way for the WG to hear you clearly without any interference/noise/feedback here in the conference room.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:We never left the pitch forks did we ? :P :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:- sorry that was me<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:Quite all right, Chris, no worries!<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:+1 To Jame's point as the FOA has to show what we gained if challenged <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Sorry, did this speaker announce himself? Just do not know whom it was<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:It is Paul McGrady speaking<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:cheers Marika :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Thats Michele :p<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Document has gone on screen ?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:thanks<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:@Chris - we are putting up the transfer document<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:You can also find it on the wiki: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/AiHxAg">https://community.icann.org/x/AiHxAg</a> <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Cheers Marika, I can zoom into this one :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Only if there is a mechaniism in place yes I would agree<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:Following up on the Thick Whois question, the project plan currently foresees that the transfer of data to Thick Whois would be complete by August 2016.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:@Michele, it might be that PP providers who trust each other build a mechanism to talk to each other externally <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:@Chris - would you like to be in the queue to share your point?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:as per Michele, its the Mechanism and cost thereof of building that/imp;lementing that<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Markika, Nah you are fine, I thought this was being seen to the room, I then remembred I should put up COMMENT :p<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:Many in the room are logged into AC but not everyone. <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Michele Neylon:Chris are you dialled in?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:let me ask if it is possible to put up the AC room on one of the screens in the room<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:yes Michele - I can here your Nice Irish tones :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:I am just backing up what you guys are sauying - no point in talking about it as per the first discussion this morning about hammering home the same view :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:Just checked, but unfortunately we can only show one thing at the time on the screen so now the room has the transfer document up.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:ok Marika, Ill poke when I want to talk :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:comment: please also remember serverHOLD by the registry when under court order and the registgrar has no rights, nor does the registrant<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:@Chris - I've added myself to the queue to read your comment<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:ta :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:and Thomas already got there before ;-)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:hehe :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:comment: that would mean changes to the RAA 2013<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> wseltzer:I was on the phone at 10, now in the room.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:+1 to Michele for UK Law<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Graeme Bunton:Thomas has not died, for the record<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Nathalie Peregrine:For those on the phone, once the session goes on break, please dial the same number to join the phone bridge, with the passcode PPSAI 2. Thank you<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:As long as there is some technical solution implemented to be honest it should not be a problem for private to private<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:ServerHOLD is much the same where the domain is "hekd"<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:held *<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:@Nathalie, will this adobe connect URL stay the same so we can leave it open /<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:@Chris - yes<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Bingo :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:We are on a short break until 11.30 PST (15 minutes from now)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:comment : it is only on a per pp service provider and should certainly not be free<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:@Chris - please note that we are now projecting the Adobe Connect room on the screen in the meeting room so everyone should be able to see your comments. But please let me know as well if you would like to have them read out.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:aha perfect Marika :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:There are many reasons why it may not be deliverable<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:for example, mailbox full<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:@Steve, then this should be a chargeable action<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Steve as iterated once before, some mail servers will not even respond <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Val Sherman:@Chris -- we're only talking about those bounces of which the Provider is made aware. If a mail server doesn't respond, and the Provider is not made aware, the requirement to notify the Complainant would not apply.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:I do not mind saying this, in man hours/cost it is circa £45.00 to do it<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:also, if an email bounces AND the service provider knows, as per Section 3.7.8 of the RAA, the domain is suspended<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:you can then be assured the customer will be on the phone / email / smoke signlas to make contact to find out why suspension and its simple, RNH invalid information<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:@Chris, you're also referring to Section 4 of the Whois Accuracy spec, right? The obligation to re-verify (and possibly suspend) if a Rr knows contact info is inaccurate e.g via bounce or non-deliverable notification?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Yes Mary, however, we do it to the letter, as thats a Compliance point on ICANN, and to be honest, its easier and quicker to suspend a domain, get a response from the registrant in a few hours, rather than ICANN compliance on the registrars case<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:no disrespect to ICANN compliance, but, quicker to get the customer to get hold of you rather than the back and fourth with ICANN :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:@Speaker, to be honest its not our job to make sure someone has read an email<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Theo Geurts:You cover that in your GTC Chris and it cannot be an issue.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Thanks mary :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:*Mary<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:My pleasure, Chris - esp as Marika and I aren't being mistaken for each other, for once :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling::)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:@Steve as long as you do not mind there being a cost to that other method<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Obly if the RAA is taken by the Legal lawyer who is providing his own service<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:RAA is only binding on regisstrars<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:TBH section 3.7.8 is a "tool"<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:in that we can use it for confirming information and we have a clear definition of what we can do<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Lawyers are not geverned by it<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:@Chris - the WG does have a preliminary recommendation for Category B, question 2 that recommends similar requirements for P/P providers.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:If the P/P service has any information suggesting that the P/P customer information is incorrect (such as P/P service receiving a bounced email notification or non-delivery notification message in connection with compliance with data reminder notices or otherwise) for any P/P customer, the P/P provider must verify or re-verify, as applicable, the email address(es). If, within fifteen (15) calendar days after receiving any such information, P/P service does not receive an affirmative response from the P/P customer providing the required verification, the P/P service shall verify the applicable contact information manually.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:excellent marika<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Steve - sorry but we had lots of HOURS on this on the tuesday calls<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:it is NOT us the sending party configuring the server, it is the receiving server<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:the receiving server is configured by the customers service provider<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:^^ meaning email server <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:so back in an hour and 15, PPSAI 3<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Enjoy lunch all :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:Yes, we're breaking for lunch now. See you all back here at 1400 Pacific (Los Angeles) time - and yes, thanks much for the reminder, Chris, dial in passcode for the next session is PPSAI 3.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Im here - how are we doing as the voice bridge is quiet ?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:Can you hear us Chris? We are getting started now.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:I can now Marika, obviously a party at lunch :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings::-)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Volker replied quiet quickly if memory serves Steve<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:@Chris, I think Steve may have been referring to the consolidated provider document that had been discussed in earlier calls; Volker's response seems to have been a personal one directly responding to the proposal Steve sent around.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:I thought the proposal though Mary was on Wednesdaym and Volker replied within 2h30 mins<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:@Chris, yes - we are probably talking about two different documents :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:agreed<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Kiran Malancharuvil:I agree with James <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:what was that ?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:I didnt here it :p<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:@Chris, do you mean Michele's remarks?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:yeah I got the idea it was the Irishman belowing, but did not quite here it :) it made everyone lauigh so was good :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Michele Neylon:<a href="https://www.stopbadware.org/web-hosting-best-practices">https://www.stopbadware.org/web-hosting-best-practices</a><o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:@Michele, this is currently in the WG's draft recommendations for Category F: "the WG recommends that ICANN’s Accreditation Program include a requirement for all accredited providers to include on their websites, and in all Publication or Disclosure-related policies and documents, a link to a [standardized] Request Form or an equivalent list of specific criteria that the provider requires in order to comply with such requests.."<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Michele Neylon:k<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:Per Steve's comment, the WG's draft preliminary conclusions for this Category relevant to the current discussion is now on screen.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Kathy:Does anyone have a problem with Notification to Beneficial Owner of the Domain Name?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:I assume as breaking late, we wont be exact on time in 1 minute, can someone state here when it is started or starting and I will dial in<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:many thnaks ::)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:We'll be starting in one minute<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Cheers marika<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:well, that is an ICANN minute ;-)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:ah ok Im here now :p<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:hehe<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:almost midnight here :p<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:and we have officially started again!<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:thanks for hanging in there Chris!<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:No probs Marika, needs to be done :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:FYI and as a reminder: Amy's presentation is based on the document she and Mike Zupke prepared and sent around earlier this week. It's available on the WG wiki: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/AiHxAg">https://community.icann.org/x/AiHxAg</a><o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:can aspeakers please state whom they are ?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:That was (and now is) Kathy Kleiman; David Cake was speaking right before this.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Thanks Mary<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:And Mike Zupke (Director, Registrar Services), is responding to their questions.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:Holly Raiche is now speaking.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:ultimately its non compliance and termination if you do not resolve it<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Kathy:Sorry for not identifying, Chris. Glad you are there!<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Im still awake :p<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:hehe<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Kathy:wish we could send you some coffee....<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Kiran Malancharuvil:we are bogarting the coffee over here! :) <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:thats ok Kathy Mr Walker has kept me awake :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Don:Hiram or Johnny?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:@Don - Jonny of course :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:Per James' question, the current interim P/P spec says: "2.5 Escrow of P/P Customer Information. Registrar shall include P/P Customer contact information in its Registration Data Escrow deposits required by Section 3.6 of the Agreement. P/P Customer Information escrowed pursuant to this Section 2.5 of this Specification may only be accessed by ICANN in the event of the termination of the Agreement or in the event Registrar ceases business operations."<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:GoDaddy will remember that debacle<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:I think we should stear away from forcing a registrar to list accredited PP providers, most ICANN registrars will be using their own afiliated ones<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Kathy:Lego track for Paul<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Sorry can I ask who was talking please ?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:ICANN has a standard definition for a "privacy service" and a "proxy service" - used uniformly for the Whois Studies, EWG work and this WG, among others. Hope that helps, Phil.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:@Chris, that was Phil Corwin. Holly is now speaking - and now back to James Bladel.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Thanks mary<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:*Mary <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:It may not be possible to obtain a reliable and accurate list or number of privacy or proxy service providers since many such services do not use a uniform description for their services, making it difficult to ascertain who is what, or indeed whether a particular provider is one or the other (or neither).<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:ICANN's various reports and studies have (as mentioned) used a uniform definition so that at least our sampling, data and results are consistent.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:And that was Volker Greimann.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Also just to be clear, we should also confirm that a ICANN registrar is not forced to accept an accredited PP provider if the ICANN registrar does not wish too<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:Per Steve's comment, that was the WG's prelim conclusion for B-1: "Domain name registrations involving privacy/proxy service providers should be clearly labeled as such in Whois. There may be various ways to implement this recommendation in order to achieve this objective; the feasibility and effectiveness of these options should be further explored as part of the implementation process ... "<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:crumbs on time :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:I am still here :p<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Todd Williams:+1 Steve on notification. But notification of the bounce to the complainant, not customer.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:for example mailbox full as person is on holiday<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:the bounce notification has to be sanitsed<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:sanitized *<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:^^<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling::)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:section 3.7.8 of raa 2009<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:discussed earlier today<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Kiran Malancharuvil:CHris - was on a plane, thanks for your patience<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Surely we are not discussing that no response from the RNH would mean reveal ? As Kathy mentioned before, RNH may not want to respond.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:maybe RNH has to acknowledge receipt of it if a link is in the forwarded mail ?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> wseltzer:my comment included "file a motion to quash or stay disclosure" too.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:@Wendy, I've added something generic to avoid specific descriptions of processes that may go by different names in different jurisdictions.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> wseltzer:@Mary, thanks<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:@Wendy, great!<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:more like lack of sleep :p<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Kiran Malancharuvil:Exacccctly Chris. :) <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:hwhw I know that feeling Kiran, I am now on teething - it doesnt get any better<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling::(<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Kiran Malancharuvil:Oh my! Good luck with that! <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:For remote participants, I vote ICANN should send out a few beers out :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:is there an electronic version of the form Marika ?<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Marika Konings:I'll send the form to the list now as well<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:thanks :)<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Don:Chris. Thanks very much for stayig with us. I appreciate the interest and commitmen. I'll look for Scotch in your honor when we get to the bar.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:hehe Thanks Don, if it is essentially over now, Ill wander off to bed :) 0130 here <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Chris Pelling:Thanks all - have a good "knees up" :) <o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:Thanks, Chris and everyone who's been participating remotely today!<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font size="3"> Mary Wong:Bye for now, everyone! Thank you all again!<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></span><style><!--
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