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Hi Steve,<br>
<br>
while the question of the 2013 RAA may not be, the discussion of
potential benefits that would counterbalance their asks very much
is, IMHO.<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 22.10.2014 16:15, schrieb Metalitz,
Steven:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">While I
understand that some WG members are eager to have a
conversation with law enforcement about the 2013 RAA, I
question whether that is in scope for our working group.
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Don Blumenthal<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Volker Greimann; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Outreach<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Volker,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I<a
moz-do-not-send="true" name="_MailEndCompose"> understand
the concern. It’s been raised on calls and in other places
for good reason. We will ask for stats as part of what we
would like to hear from LE.
</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Don<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Outreach<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Don,<br>
<br>
one thing I would like to ask is that before we invite Law
Enforcement to present their list of asks (because that is
what it will turn out to be once they are here), we should
request that they also present some evidence of how better
contactability since the changes in the RAA has improved their
ability to catch the bad guys. <br>
LEAs are always good at asking for more, but not as good at
justifying their requests with concrete facts.<br>
<br>
Volker<span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 21.10.2014 18:53, schrieb Don
Blumenthal:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The chairs group met this morning while
sparing the rest of you. We will send more about we talked
about and thoughts about how we’ll move from here later in
the week after some drafting.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In the meantime, some WG members have
suggested SME style briefings from the law enforcement
community and data protection authorities, and it’s time to
schedule them. The idea is for individuals or groups to look
at what we have produced and comment based on their
perspectives. General discussions of p/p won’t be neary has
helpful.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We have a good set of contacts in LE
because it has a presence at ICANN and Dick Leaming from
Interpol told me a few times in LA that he will join.
Suggestions still are welcome for because the ICANN regulars
are self-selected, and partly on the basis of who can afford
to come. That’s not necessarily the best way to get a cross
section of the community.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On the other hand, we are starting almost
from zero on DPA. I have a friend and long ago FTC colleague
who works on privacy and security matters at the OECD as a
possible starting point but we need more thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Don<o:p></o:p></p>
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