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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <b><u>Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 28 October 2014:<o:p></o:p></u></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Glen de Saint Gery:Welcome to the PPSAI call on October 28 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:No audio via adobe? only call in?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Glen de Saint Gery:sound should be up<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Are the dial outs being made?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:I only see the option to dial in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Is the option replacing an earlier request for a dial out?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Hi all, there was a new plugin I had to download today - I have Adobe sound and mic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Glen de Saint Gery:Holly we are dialing out to you now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:afternoon all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Theo Geurts:good afternoon all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:I am able to test my mic set up using the audio setup in the adobe connect, but the option is still not enabled when I try to connect my audio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, I will dial in now.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:dialing in, waiting on operator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann:what was that just now? no audio?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann:did anyone elses audio drop or just mine?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:got dropped by the operator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Frank Michlick:I still have audio in the adobe room.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Glen de Saint Gery:the operrator is getting people on the line<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:I can also hear audio in the room
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:Schedule looks good to me.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Glen de Saint Gery:@Volker, is your audio all right now?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Actually, in apAC, therarere many very different regimes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Sorry - thought you meant APAC region<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> David Cake:I agree that F2F went well.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:Audio is going back and forth...is that me or are other people having trouble?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:Dialling in might be saner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Steve, yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Staff is assuming that the proposal highlighted in the document pertained only to Disclosure and not Publication<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:@Michele thx<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Paul McGrady:Apologies, but I am having a really hard time hearing Don today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:Paul - dialling in seems to work - adobe might be a bit b0rked<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Paul McGrady:Michele - thanks! I will try that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Glen de Saint Gery:if you need a dialout, please let me know<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> David Cake:I was about to discuss, just realise I need to dial in
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Paul McGrady:Dial in is much better. Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> David Cake:I have no great issues with what Steve said, but I have disagreements with some of Vals other suggestions.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:agree witk Kathy K<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann:+1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:On Disclosure, what IP rights are we talking about? Not patent, I presume. Certainly copyright. But are we including trademark -- there is UDRP
and URS for that, and I don't think we should be creating a parallel procedure for domain name-related trademark allegations. sale of counterfeit goods on a website may be a different matter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:Sorry I am listening, where are we page and point ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:page 1 point 1 ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Chris, we're on the Relay issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:Ahahahaah. Thanks Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Don Blumenthal':And Val's suggested edits in email.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Val Sherman:My point regarding cost-shifting was specific to the second bullet -- which references a number of failed attempts at delivery via the email address
provided. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:Technically, not 'mine'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Graeme, too late :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:nor mine<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Todd Williams:+1 Steve. This is pretty narrow. Doesn't implicate examples Graham mentioned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Todd Williams:Graeme. Sorry. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Oh no - more quilts!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Quilts and diapers....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:+1 Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann:Not more diapers, please<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:Agree with Michele that all conclusions are preliminary but without "must" there's not a definable minimum standard for accreditation.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kristina Rosette:Apologies in advance for when/if I come off mute: The DC cab drivers are having another honking protest on Pennsylvania Avenue (immediately
under my office window).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Kristina, hence the need to move offices! :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kristina Rosette:+1 to Steve w/r/t need for "must" in order to have an actual minimum standard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:REcommend parking the idea until we are closer to completion. Also recommend leaving discretion with providers. They are after all responsible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:+1 Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann:so essentially the taxi drivers are pushing you to use Uber instead again?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:Taxi drivers - don't get me started ..
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:I agree with the concerns raised by Michele and Stephanie, but also the note that the "should" applies only to the electronic communication. That is
a detail I imissed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Perhaps we should add a line that p/p service provides have discretion over any non-electronic communication that they receive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:providers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Val Sherman:David -- we are talking about a stiuation where there have been a "certain minimum number of delivery failures -- i.e. hard bounces bc something
is wrong with the email.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann:Totally disagree with Steve: The standards for accreditation have nothing to do with forcing a provider to provide a third party with a potentially
useless message.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:Is thew issue of must/should not something that we ask for comments on at the end of our drafting process? and cinch up accordingly?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Alex Deacon:@michele - agreed. one a single 5xx falure should be sufficient.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Michele Neylon:http://www.iana.org/assignments/smtp-enhanced-status-codes/smtp-enhanced-status-codes.xhtml<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:temporary failures are a different matter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:I think Val's suggestion of yesterday is one we should go back to our SG on and talk about it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Alex Deacon:right<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:some nice feedback a few times then<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann:I am not currently dialled in. Usually use the Adobe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Glen de Saint Gery:can we call out to you Volker?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann:dialing in now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@Mary, in the notes, final paragraph, could you change "our" to "Val's" and then add some notes re: the concerns raised by others (because this is a
shift of several things including should -> must and cost shifting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Tx!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:Cheers kathy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann:did not realize I would be asked to present<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Don Blumenthal':Validated postal code?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:huh?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Don Blumenthal':Thinking of the Whois check processes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:There's no requirement to check post codes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann:we just deactivated post-code checks for certain countries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann:(and before you send an email to compliance, these are countries that do not have postal codes)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:Steve - we do not control content<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Darcy Southwell:@Steve, That was helpful, thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:Typically, when we work on malware and phishing issues, its with people we've built relationships with over years. I worry that removing our
discretion on what to respond means that we then need to be far more rigid with those issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Don Blumenthal':I should clarify. We don't see malware as a content issue without our anti abuse polcy. The point was to suggest that "content" definitions
may vary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:+1 Graeme<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Val Sherman:+1 @ Steve and Paul -- disclosure may obviate and/or faciliate a URS or UDRP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kristina Rosette:And, NAF's URS supplemental rules make clear that the Respondent is the person/entity listed in Whois when the case is filed. That would
be the proxy provider. So Phil's proposed solution doesn't seem to apply to URS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Don Blumenthal':Question for me or Paul?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:+1 Volker - we have to take into account abuse on both sides - Registrants and Lawyers/Those seeking info<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Paul McGrady:I'm happy to respond to Volker's comment, but it appears we are out of time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Don Blumenthal':OK. For me. I'll follow up. in email.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:I have to leave call at 11 sharp but reiterate my concern abiout compulsory disclosure oif registrant data based upon mere allegation of TM
infringement by a domain name. UDRP and URS filings sometimes are denied, yet we would compel disclsoure absent a decision on the merits. Also, while relay of a C&D letter may help avoid filing of a UDRP or URS, disclosure of registrant data does not promote
that result.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:I would like to hear Paul's response...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Michele Neylon:Agree with Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Same bat channel. Bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:allegation of TM infringement is not the same as actual infringement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Frank Michlick:Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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