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<div><font size="3">Phil,</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">With respect to Reveal in </font><font size="3">the </font><font size="3">context of allegations that a domain name is infringing, we advocat</font><font size="3">e </font><font size="3">Disclosure (to the Request</font><font size="3">o</font><font size="3">r
only) of information sufficient to </font><font size="3">help the Requestor determine</font><font size="3"> </font><font size="3">if further </font><font size="3">action </font><font size="3">against the Customer </font><font size="3">is</font><font size="3"> warranted</font><font size="3">. </font><font size="3"> This
is especially important i</font><font size="3">n the context of IP rights enforcement</font><font size="3">. </font><font size="3">Disclosure of the Customer's </font><font size="3">identity would</font><font size="3"> help the Requestor determine, before having
to file a URS or UDRP, whether or not the Customer:</font></div>
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<div align="justify"><font size="3">-has legitimate rights in the domain name</font><font size="3">;</font></div>
<div align="justify"><font size="3">-is a cybersquatter; </font></div>
<div align="justify"><font size="3">-is stockpiling domain names</font><font size="3">, without adding any website content</font><font size="3">; </font><font size="3">or</font></div>
<div align="justify"><font size="3">-has prior UDRP decisions against him or her</font><font size="3">.</font></div>
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<div align="justify"><font size="3">All of the foregoing indicate bad faith registration and use of the domain name</font><font size="3">. </font><font size="3">As Paul pointed out on today's call, the Requestor must be able to </font><font size="3"> ascertain </font><font size="3"> this</font><font size="3">
information </font><font size="3"> before it is obliged undergo the time and expense of bringing a UDRP or other legal proce</font><font size="3">eding</font><font size="3">. In that way, </font><font size="3">it can possibly avoid the need for a UDRP</font><font size="3">.
And if it has to bring a UDRP, it can do so</font><font size="3"> in good faith. </font><font size="3">That is why Disclosure is valuable in cases involving infringing domain names, not just infringing website content. </font></div>
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<div><font size="3">To address another point that has come up in the past, Disclosure does not equate to a finding of guilt. Disclosure is not a remedy of the UDRP or the URS; </font><font size="3">it would occur </font><font size="3">before a case is decided
o</font><font size="3">n </font><font size="3"> the merits. It is my understanding that once a UDRP is filed</font><font size="3">,</font><font size="3"> one or both of the following generally happens: 1) registrar receives a request for information to confirm
registrant, which it then sends to the Complainant to amend the Complaint; or 2) the P/P Provider named in the complaint discloses or publishes the information. So</font><font size="3"> under the status quo,</font><font size="3"> there generally is a Reveal
before a decision on the merits, but only after the Requestor is forced to file a complaint, without essential information, at a high cost. As you correctly observed, not all allegations are successful -- we don't want to encourage more with a policy that
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<div id="divRpF527131" style="direction: ltr;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] on behalf of Volker Greimann [vgreimann@key-systems.net]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 28, 2014 12:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Mandatory Reveal in Context of Allegations that a Domain Name is Infringing Trademark<br>
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<div>Hi Phil,<br>
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I agree that a mere allegation is never enough for any form of required result. The bar needs to be set a lot higher, such as a sworn statement that includes legal consequences in case any part of it is incorrect that would allow the injured party and the provider
to sue the pants off of the complainant. <br>
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Also, the violation must be clear and obvious to an untrained third party observer, which is usually not the case in trademark violation due to the fact that trademark law is simply too complex for a layman to understand. And frankly, there also is no need
for an immediate reveal as there are, as you point out, already sufficient means to deal with such cases.<br>
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As for content, that is a hosting issue outside the realm of ICANN. Go to the hosting provider instead. Infringing content has nothing to do with the domain name whatsoever.<br>
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Best,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.10.2014 17:30, schrieb Phil Corwin:<br>
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<pre>I want to reiterate the concerns I raised during today's call about recommending a policy that would require a privacy/proxy provider (PPP) to reveal/disclose a registrant's identity and contact information based on a mere allegation that the domain name is infringing a trademark.
ICANN has established the URDP and URS to deal with such allegations. And every day WIPO, NAF, and other providers deny complainant allegations. In fact, it appears that instances of attempted reverse domain hijacking are on the rise.
A registrant who is targeted in a UDRP or URS has a choice of responding (in which case they will be revealing their identity) or to default and let the provider decide the allegation based solely upon the complaint. The proposed policy would compel disclosure of registrant data even when no UDRP, URS, or trademark infringement litigation was filed, or even if the allegation was subsequently found to fail to meet the required burden of proof.
I am not convinced by arguments that such mandatory disclosure might facilitate resolution absent the filing of arbitration or litigation. That can be accomplished by requiring the PPP to relay a cease-and-desist letter or other communication to the registrant. Mandatory disclosure based on an unproven allegation does not further the claimed goal.
Summing up, I believe that our WG should not create any new policy related to allegations of TM infringement by a domain name but should leave this issue to the new gTLD RPM and UDRP review that will be commencing next spring.
As for allegations of trademark infringement based upon a website's content that is a separate matter. However, I believe our discussions should recognize that PPPs are unlikely to weigh the merits of an allegation and that their likely default position will be to reveal registrant data once a complaint addresses all the relevant points required by any new policy on this subject. Given that likelihood, we should certainly consider the extent to which such a policy might be abused by a private sector or governmental actor.
Thank you for taking these views into account.
Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
Virtualaw LLC
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