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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi All,<br>
I feel the need to channel Maria Farrell in our discussion. Like
Michele, I understand why Valeriya would like to see who the owner
of a domain name is before she files a UDRP action. But I favor
keeping some discretion with the Proxy/Privacy Service Providers
because of the possibility of abuse.<br>
<br>
While the lawyers in our WG are acting in good faith and seek this
information for their clients as part of due dilegence, not all
lawyers and all people will (shocking, I know). When I hear about
the death threats to Maria Farrell from her blogging and
expression of legitimate and legal opinions, it is chilling. If we
set up an express lane for those threatening her to get her
private data, those making the threats will use it; if we have a
checklist of requirements, without more/without discretion, they
will check it off. There are those who will abuse any system we
set into place: lawyers, individuals, others.<br>
<br>
So I think the only way to balance the clear rights, needs and
legal protections on both sides is to stay in a moderate central
course - of the type we were closing in on at our face to face
meeting in LA.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Kathy<br>
:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Valeriya<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I'm
sorry, but just because we do not agree with your position
does not mean that we do not understand why this proposal is
attractive to you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
understand it. We do not agree with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">--<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Valeriya Sherman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Williams, Todd; Phil Corwin; Marika Konings;
David Cake<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Mandatory Reveal
in Context of Allegations that a Domain Name is
Infringing Trademark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">All,</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black">Respectfully, a few of the
comments in response to my email miss the main
point, which is that Disclosure helps the Requestor
determine--before having to file a UDRP against the
Provider-- whether or not the Customer has
legitimate rights in the domain name or whether it
has registered and used the domain name in bad
faith.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black">Based on our experience filing
numerous UDRP complaints on behalf of IP owners,
once the UDRP Complaint is filed, the arbitration
service (NAF or WIPO) automatically directs that the
Customer's identity be disclosed to the UDRP
Complainant. This is not done by the UDRP panelist;
it is done ministerially by a Case Coordinator. Then
the Complainant's attorneys have to amend the UDRP
Complaint to name the true registrant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black">Disclosing the true registrant's
identity earlier helps the Requestor determine if
the UDRP is warranted, in two ways.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><b><i><span
style="color:black">First</span></i></b><span
style="color:black">, it helps determine if the true
registrant has a legitimate interest in the domain
name. For example, it would be useful for the owner
of the U.S. trademark BUDWEISER to know if the
registrant of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.drinkbudweiserbeer.com/"
target="_blank">DrinkBudweiserBeer.com</a> is the
brewery in the Czech Republic that also owns a
BUDWEISER trademark before it files a UDRP against
this registrant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><b><i><span
style="color:black">Second</span></i></b><span
style="color:black">, it helps determine if the
domain name was registered and used in bad faith.
The examples I gave were various indicia that have
long been accepted in UDRP decisions
as evidencing bad faith. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
If a registrant has prior UDRP decisions against him.
See, e.g. <u>Intel Corporation v. Marcel Engenheiro /
Pentium Capital</u>, Case No. D2013-1745 (WIPO Jan.
21, 2014) (found that Respondent had engaged in a
pattern of abusive registration of domain names based
on two prior UDRP decisions issued against him); <o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
If he stockpiles infringing domain names. See, e.g.,<b><span
style="background:white"> </span></b><u>TV Globo
Ltda. v. Green Card Transportes e Eventos Ltda.,</u> Case
No. D2000-0351 (WIPO July 17, 2001) (found that "<span
style="background:white">existence of a long list of
domain names ... is evidence that registration has
been effected in bad faith."); </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
If he simply holds the infringing domain names for
sale. See, e.g., <u>Federal Cartridge Co. v. Madmouse
Communications</u>, Case No. D2001-0756 (WIPO July
24, 2001) (found use in bad faith when registrant held
a domain name that incorporated another's protected
mark without any effort to use it for any purpose).<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black">These and other indicia evidence
bad faith, and are highly useful in determining if a
UDRP is warranted. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black">For all the reasons above, a
limited disclosure to a single third party Requestor
before a UDRP filing is better in the long run for
Customers, P/P Providers, and Requestors alike.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black">We look forward to further
discussing these issues, but we still believe (as we
did when this was first discussed in September) that
disclosure should be attainable without the need to
first file a UDRP or other legal proceeding.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="color:black">Val<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Valeriya
Sherman<br>
Silverberg, Goldman & Bikoff, L.L.P.<br>
1101 30th Street, N.W.<br>
Suite 120<br>
Washington, D.C. 20007<br>
Tel 202.944.3300<br>
Cell 303.589.7477<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vsherman@law.gwu.edu"
target="_blank"><span style="color:#1155CC">vsherman@sgbdc.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
Williams, Todd [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Todd.Williams@turner.com">Todd.Williams@turner.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 29, 2014 4:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Phil Corwin; Marika Konings; David Cake;
Valeriya Sherman<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Mandatory
Reveal in Context of Allegations that a Domain Name is
Infringing Trademark</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks
Philip. At least a partial answer to your question
(“do we know how often that occurs”) was included in
the “compilation of p/p provider responses to
specific WG questions” – which is attached to the
attached email. In it, you’ll see that for at least
DBP and the “others,” the default was to “publish”
to the world (not just to “disclose” to the
individual complainant) upon filing of a UDRP.
Based at least in part on that, Kathy and I – and
presumably the others in the WG (having received no
objection to our email string) – agreed that an
accreditation policy that intentionally funnels
these types of complaints into UDRPs was less
preferable for all parties involved: the
registrant/beneficial user, the p/p provider, and
the complainant. I don’t want to speak for Kathy or
the others, so I’ve attached the email string. But
just to reiterate what we discussed there:</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-left:51.75pt;text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D">·</span><span
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Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The
registrant/beneficial user gets to avoid the more
drastic result of publication to the world. If, as
Michele and Chris and others have suggested, we need
to be mindful of how our standards may impinge on
privacy rights, then surely publication to the world
is a much more severe impingement of that privacy
right than disclosure to an individual complainant.
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:51.75pt;text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
p/p provider gets to avoid being named as a
respondent in a UDRP proceeding (which James has
noted can be problematic for the provider), and may
get to keep a paying customer that it would
otherwise lose once the UDRP is filed and the
contact information is published to the world. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:51.75pt;text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
complainant gets to save the money that it would
otherwise spend on a UDRP, and may in fact choose to
forgo the UDRP all together (as I mentioned, perhaps
learning the beneficial user’s identity will cause
the complainant to question its original analysis
that the domain name was being used in bad faith).</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Because
of that, I can’t really think of anybody who
benefits from a system that intentionally pushes
these types of matters into UDRPs (except perhaps
for UDRP providers like NAF, or for attorneys who
get paid to litigate UDRPs I suppose).</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks.</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
Todd. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Corwin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:56
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marika Konings; David Cake; Valeriya
Sherman<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg]
Mandatory Reveal in Context of Allegations that
a Domain Name is Infringing Trademark</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Marika:</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks
for the clarification.</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In
regard to this –</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“the
P/P service will publish the underlying customer
information in Whois within two days of the UDDR
being filed, unless the P/P service has no objection
to being listed in the complaint/ruling as the
registrant”</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">--that
seems to say that disclosure of the registrant data
will not always automatically occur if the P/P
service agrees to be listed as registrant. Do we
know how often that occurs, or the basis on which
the providers currently make that decision?</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">At
any rate, the argument for revelation to the
requestor upon a mere allegation of an IP
infringement (and more specifically, upon an
allegation based solely upon the domain name as
trademark infringing) was based on the assertion
that it will be revealed to the world via the WHOIS
record if the requestor has to escalate to a UDRP or
URS. But it appears there is a major exception to
that argument.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best,
Philip</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">Philip
S. Corwin, Founding Principal</span></b><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">Virtualaw
LLC</span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">1155
F Street, NW</span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">Suite
1050</span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">Washington,
DC 20004</span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">202-559-8597/Direct</span></b><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">202-559-8750/Fax</span></b><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">202-255-6172/cell</span></b><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy"> </span></b><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">Twitter:
@VlawDC</span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">"Luck
is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey</span></i></b><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marika Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 29, 2014 4:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Cake; Valeriya Sherman<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg]
Mandatory Reveal in Context of Allegations that
a Domain Name is Infringing Trademark</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">All,
in relation to this discussion, it may be worth
pointing out that the current status quo, which
will be further codified as a result of the
locking of a domain name subject to UDRP
Proceedings Policy Development Process, is that
the P/P service will publish the underlying
customer information in Whois within two days of
the UDDR being filed, unless the P/P service has
no objection to being listed in the
complaint/ruling as the registrant. If I
understand the current proposal under
consideration correctly, the idea is that an
intermediate step could be introduced which may
provide potential benefits to both parties as it
would provide the requestor with additional
information that may be helpful in deciding
whether a UDRP/URS or alternative approach would
be best suited to address the issue while the P/P
customer information would only be disclosed to
the requestor instead of published in Whois (and
presumably it would also offer another path for
remediation to the P/P customer instead of having
to go directly to a UDRP which might require
hiring of a lawyer?). Obviously there are other
issues that need to be considered in relation to
such a possible intermediate step such as how to
avoid misuse, but I thought it might be helpful to
consider this in light of the status quo.</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Best
regards,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Marika
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">David
Cake <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@difference.com.au"
target="_blank">dave@difference.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 29 October 2014 08:57<br>
<b>To: </b>Valeriya Sherman <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:VSherman@sgbdc.com" target="_blank">VSherman@sgbdc.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Mandatory
Reveal in Context of Allegations that a Domain
Name is Infringing Trademark</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On
29 Oct 2014, at 3:38 am, Valeriya Sherman
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:VSherman@sgbdc.com"
target="_blank">VSherman@sgbdc.com</a>>
wrote:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">Phil,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">With respect
to Reveal in the context of
allegations that a domain name is
infringing, we advocate Disclosure
(to the Requestor only) of
information sufficient to help the
Requestor determine if
further action against the
Customer is warranted. This is
especially important in the context
of IP rights enforcement. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Allegations
are not proof. If the domain name itself is
regarded as possibly infringing, we have the
UDRP and URS to determine it a domain name is
actually infringing. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">Disclosure of
the Customer's identity would help
the Requestor determine,
before having to file a URS or UDRP,
whether or not the Customer:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Sure.
But being helpful to the Requestor is not, by
itself, sufficient to justify disclosure.</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">-has legitimate
rights in the domain name;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">-is a
cybersquatter; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">These
are the exact questions the UDRP/URS are
designed to answer. Wanting to know the
answers to them before filing is putting the
cart before the horse somewhat. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">-is stockpiling
domain names, without adding any
website content; or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The
UDRP ultimately should succeed or fail based
on the use of the domain in question, not
what the registrant does with their other
domains. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">And
as Michele notes, website content is not the
only use for domain names. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">(
eg I have a few friends who have used the
adorably geeky rcpt.to domain for email only
for over a decade now). </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Also,
if the domain owner is actively using
sub-domains of their domain, it may not
necessarily be obvious to the requester.</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">-has prior UDRP
decisions against him or her.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Again,
sure, helpful to know before filing your UDRP,
but is helpful to potential filers sufficient
to overrule the obvious desire of the
registrant for privacy? </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">A
desire to disassociate particular domains used
for specific purposes from their general
domaining business may even be the reason for
using a PPP. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">All of the
foregoing indicate bad faith
registration and use of the domain
name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Your
first two criteria are decisions that the
UDRP/URS will rule on. Your second two
criteria might indicate a general pattern of
bad behaviour by the registrant, but do not
mean that an individual domain is part of that
pattern of behaviour. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black"> As Paul pointed
out on today's call, the
Requestor must be able
to ascertain this
information before it is obliged
undergo the time and expense of
bringing a UDRP or other legal
proceeding. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I
do not think this follows at all. There is a
big difference between the requestor would
like to, and the Requestor must be able to. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I
absolutely think that the Requestor should be
able to use relay to request relevant
information from the registrant. If the
registrant wants to reply to a relayed request
asserting their legitimate right to the
domain, good. But it is not obvious to me that
disclosure is necessary, and I can think of
many cases in which it might be problematic. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">In that way, it
can possibly avoid the need for a
UDRP. And if it has to bring a
UDRP, it can do so in good faith. That
is why Disclosure is valuable in cases
involving infringing domain names, not
just infringing website content. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">To address
another point that has come up in
the past, Disclosure does not equate
to a finding of guilt. Disclosure is
not a remedy of the UDRP or the
URS; it would occur before a case is
decided on the merits. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Of
course - but avoiding disclosure is,
presumably, often a major reason for retaining
a PPP in the first place, so we should not let
it happen just because it would be beneficial
to the requestor. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Regards</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">David</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">It is my
understanding that once a UDRP is
filed, one or both of the following
generally happens: 1) registrar
receives a request for information
to confirm registrant, which it then
sends to the Complainant to amend
the Complaint; or 2) the P/P
Provider named in the complaint
discloses or publishes the
information. So under the status
quo, there generally is a Reveal
before a decision on the merits, but
only after the Requestor is forced
to file a complaint, without
essential information, at a high
cost. As you correctly observed, not
all allegations are successful -- we
don't want to encourage more with a
policy that requires premature legal
actions. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="color:black">Valeriya
Sherman<br>
Silverberg, Goldman &
Bikoff, L.L.P.<br>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><a
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[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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on behalf of Volker Greimann [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
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October 28, 2014 12:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
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<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Mandatory Reveal
in Context of Allegations that a
Domain Name is Infringing Trademark</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="color:black">Hi Phil,<br>
<br>
I agree that a mere allegation is
never enough for any form of required
result. The bar needs to be set a lot
higher, such as a sworn statement that
includes legal consequences in case
any part of it is incorrect that would
allow the injured party and the
provider to sue the pants off of the
complainant.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<br>
Also, the violation must be clear and
obvious to an untrained third party
observer, which is usually not the
case in trademark violation due to the
fact that trademark law is simply too
complex for a layman to understand.
And frankly, there also is no need for
an immediate reveal as there are, as
you point out, already sufficient
means to deal with such cases.<br>
<br>
As for content, that is a hosting
issue outside the realm of ICANN. Go
to the hosting provider instead.
Infringing content has nothing to do
with the domain name whatsoever.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">Am 28.10.2014
17:30, schrieb Phil Corwin:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span style="color:black">I want to reiterate the concerns I raised during today's call about recommending a policy that would require a privacy/proxy provider (PPP) to reveal/disclose a registrant's identity and contact information based on a mere allegation that the domain name is infringing a trademark.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black">ICANN has established the URDP and URS to deal with such allegations. And every day WIPO, NAF, and other providers deny complainant allegations. In fact, it appears that instances of attempted reverse domain hijacking are on the rise.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black">A registrant who is targeted in a UDRP or URS has a choice of responding (in which case they will be revealing their identity) or to default and let the provider decide the allegation based solely upon the complaint. The proposed policy would compel disclosure of registrant data even when no UDRP, URS, or trademark infringement litigation was filed, or even if the allegation was subsequently found to fail to meet the required burden of proof.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black">I am not convinced by arguments that such mandatory disclosure might facilitate resolution absent the filing of arbitration or litigation. That can be accomplished by requiring the PPP to relay a cease-and-desist letter or other communication to the registrant. Mandatory disclosure based on an unproven allegation does not further the claimed goal.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black">Summing up, I believe that our WG should not create any new policy related to allegations of TM infringement by a domain name but should leave this issue to the new gTLD RPM and UDRP review that will be commencing next spring.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black">As for allegations of trademark infringement based upon a website's content that is a separate matter. However, I believe our discussions should recognize that PPPs are unlikely to weigh the merits of an allegation and that their likely default position will be to reveal registrant data once a complaint addresses all the relevant points required by any new policy on this subject. Given that likelihood, we should certainly consider the extent to which such a policy might be abused by a private sector or governmental actor.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black">Thank you for taking these views into account.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black">Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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Release Date: 10/27/14</span><span
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