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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Steve Metalitz - IPC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Graeme Bunton – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Frank Michlick – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Don Blumenthal – RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">David Heasley-IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jim Bikoff-IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Chris Pelling – RrSG<u><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Susan Kawaguchi – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Kristina Rosette – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Val Sherman – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Libby Baney – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Eric Brunner-Williams-N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Lindsay Hamilton-Reid-RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Michele Neylon – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alex Deacon – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Victoria Scheckler - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP<span class="apple-style-span"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Keith Kupferschmid-IPC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Christian Dawson-ISPCP</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <b><u>Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 04 November 2014:<o:p></o:p></u></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI call on 04 November 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:afternoon all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Hi Terri. Did I request a dial out?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Hi Holly, you did not but I amhaving the op dial out to you now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Tks - 61 2 9436 2149<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:Crank calls for Holly!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:It's 2.00am - I promise not to answer!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Theo Geurts::)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:Volker!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Please remember to mute when not speaking<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Theo Geurts:Volker instructing folks at work hehe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Val Sherman::)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:Good morning all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann 2:now?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:better<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Theo Geurts:all good now Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Stephabnie Perrin has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:**Stephanie Perrin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Libby Baney:Don, I'm having a bit of trouble hearing you through Adobe. Anyone else?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Libby Baney:yeah, thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:sounds ok to me<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> David Cake:fine with me too.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Lindsay Hamilton-Reid has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:operator said you spkoe too close to the mic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:If there's privacy on the domain, wouldn't the IP right holder not be able to know if a licensed user is using it?
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:B/c there's privacy they can't see who the user is.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:(Personally I still don't think it's a good reason to reveal)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:Isn't the use of the domain name important? And "revealing" who is using the domain?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> David Cake:Surely if they have had rights granted, they would respond to a relayed request?
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ david - you would think so<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:Agree with discussing reveal further offline -- and clarifying again that my concerns rekate solely to automatice reveal based solely on allegation of infringement
based solely on domain name (for which UDRP & URS exist) rather than allegations of, e.g., sale of counterfeit goods on the website.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:And agree with David that an authorized user would likely respond to a relayed request.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Keith Kupferschmid sends his apologies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Eric Brunner-Williams (ebw):just a comment on registrar deacreditation, this assumes that there is deaccreditation for reasons other than non-payment, as a general rule.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ Eris - that was my understanding<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ Stephanie - absolutely agree with the issues you are raising<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:The ICANN Compliance Dept publishes a monthly dashboard/report:
</span><a href="https://features.icann.org/compliance"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://features.icann.org/compliance</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:What hat raises is the issue of transfer of a P/P client - which we have discussed but not necessarily solved<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Part of the monthly report deals with Complaints and Enforcement; see this for an example of what they deal with:
</span><a href="https://features.icann.org/compliance/enforcement-notices"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://features.icann.org/compliance/enforcement-notices</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Eric Brunner-Williams (ebw):i think seperation of the registrar and the p/p services will help, only want to terminate the p/p if only the p/p tos is substantively and repeatedly
breeched.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:Howdy all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Morning Carlton<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Eric Brunner-Williams (ebw):and only want to terminate the registrar service only if the registrar tos (raa08, raa13) is similarly breached.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:Totally agree with Phil on the mixing point. Need clarity here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:Also need clarity....if a registrar is de-accredited, the PP service is separate in my view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:I thought we jumped right into deaccreditation of the provider<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann 2:de-accreditation does not equal full disclosure<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:The arrnagement is for independent accreditation for P/P provider and Rr. So deaccreditation process must be separate for both.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ Volker - I think we are talking about de-accreditation of the provider - not about disclosure of details of the registrant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Susan, thanks - we will check with our Rr Services & Compliance colleagues and get back to the WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Susan Kawaguchi:Thanks Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Eric Brunner-Williams (ebw):the question to ask if when icann (mike z) sends out "who wants to pick up the registrants of deaccredited registrar X", is an additional condition
that the new registrar offer p/p previously.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:ONe of the issues, it seems to me, is how my PP service is transferred...if I select a provider based on whether they will defend me in case of IP claims,
and the new provider chosen by ICANN does not, what are my appeal mechanisms?How fast do I have to move? it is a matter that is somewhat more consequential, when one has taken the effort to use a proxy..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:If we think deaccreditation of the one MUST impact the other in cases where the P/P procvider is also a Rr provider, then we use a 'fit and proper' framework<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Susan Kawaguchi:agree Carlton<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:2013 RAA:
</span><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Termination is in Section 5.5<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Agre with Stephanie - it is one of the issues tha flows from de-accreditation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:@Carlton yes re separation of business lines<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Eric Brunner-Williams (ebw):iirc, if X has registrants in {com,net,org} then the registrars who respond to mike z's sollicitation mail must previously have at least passed
ot&e with the {com/net} and {org} registry providers. rinse and repeat for the 2000 and 2004 and now 2013 sets of operators.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Eric Brunner-Williams (ebw):so p/p is an additional constraint on the set of would-be failover registrars.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:Could be we need a bit more time to go over the template.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Current interim spec:
</span><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en#privacy-proxy"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en#privacy-proxy</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:ICANN does currently send breach notices to registrars that operate p/p services, which could lead to de-accreditation of the registrar, see
</span><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/serad-to-elizarov-31oct14-en.pdf"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/serad-to-elizarov-31oct14-en.pdf</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Eric Brunner-Williams (ebw):steve, same t&c as for raa breach?
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Carlton Samuels has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Eric Brunner-Williams (ebw):same cure window?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:@Eric, the link is to an RAA breach notice so I think the answer to your questions is yes
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:I agree with Graeme, It would be nice to get more time to go over all these links. Sorry for not having done assigned homework.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Eric Brunner-Williams (ebw):ok, since it is possible to serially in-breach/not-in-breach via recurring cure (e.g., whois server down, up, down, ...). it would not be appropriate
for serial breach of p/p either way (disclosure w/o reason or non-disclosure w/reason).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Steve, thanks yes, the WG has some specific recs for customer obligations so those would "count" for TOS/T&C breach, presumably.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:are we looking to have a f2f in singapore ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:being next feb now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:ta<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Chris, presumably the WG will have its usual meeting, but there won't be the additional day of facilitation as there was in LA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:FYI, I will miss next Tuesday's call as I will be flying to Phoenix for INTA Leadership meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Thanks for letting us know, Phil - we'll note your apologies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:Bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Volker Greimann 2:thank you all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> David Cake:thank you all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:Thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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