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Dear Kiran,<br>
<br>
please do not make assumptions on what others have or have not read,
you'd be wrong. I read the entire message, and just because I
focussed on one part of it in my response does not mean I did not
read the rest. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 05.11.2014 22:31, schrieb Kiran
Malancharuvil:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">None
of you seem to have read past what you quoted. Val’s point
is that it’s one thing (of many MANY factors) that may (or
may not) contribute to a finding of bad faith. At no point
does she claim it’s a dispositive factor. I’m sure that no
one here believes that. Like she explicitly said… lack of
response doesn’t conclusively demonstrate rights or lack
thereof. Obviously it doesn’t. Mischaracterizing
statements does everyone in this group a disservice and
distracts from the actual points being made.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Perhaps
Val’s point (and if not, my point) is that disclosure is
necessary to help rights owners begin a dialogue with the
registrant about whether or not they have legitimate
rights. UDRP filings and the back and forth that results
from that is unduly burdensome to brand owners and
registrants when a private dialogue will do. As you, we and
other have pointed out, it’s not just those we have licensed
that have a legitimate right to the name, but how do we know
if we don’t know who they are/where they are?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You
are right, it is absolutely a registrants prerogative to
choose not to respond to a relay request. But the issue
should not end there. I can refuse to respond to a
subpoena, or refuse to pay my credit card bill, or refuse to
respond to the government if the IRS requests an audit of my
taxes. That’s not the end of the story, there are
consequences to those actions. Perhaps there are
consequences to ignoring “legitimate” (whatever we deem that
to be) requests for information if certain criteria are met
in certain situations. I am not (at this point) advocating
one solution or another.. but I would like to see language
that suggests “absolutes” disappear from our discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
Kiran<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1F497D">Kiran
Malancharuvil<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Policy
Counselor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">MarkMonitor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">415.222.8318
(t)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">415.419.9138
(m)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.markmonitor.com/"><span
style="color:blue">www.markmonitor.com</span></a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 05, 2014 1:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Recap &
Moving Forward<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry, but I smirked at this comment:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lack of response to relays is
evidence of bad faith, [...]. <o:p>
</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Really? In my book, lack of response is
evidence of only one thing: Lack of response is evidence of
lack of response. Nothing more!<br>
<br>
There may be so many reasons why someone may decline to
respond that are not bad faith, your conclusion is far fetched
at best.
<br>
<br>
- Message was caught by spam filters<br>
- Message was accidentally deleted<br>
- Message message was not read<br>
- Message was considered spam and ignored<br>
- Recipient believed the message does not concern him<br>
- Recipient is in hospital/on vacation<br>
- Recipient got scared by the harsh language used even though
he is not actually infringing<br>
- Recipient just does not want to deal with this at this time<br>
- Recipient choses not to respond<br>
<br>
And those are just off the top of my head.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Val<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto">Valeriya Sherman<br>
Silverberg, Goldman & Bikoff, L.L.P.<br>
1101 30th Street, N.W.<br>
Suite 120<br>
Washington, D.C. 20007<br>
Tel 202.944.3300<br>
Cell 303.589.7477<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vsherman@law.gwu.edu"
target="_blank"><span style="color:#1155CC">vsherman@sgbdc.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
on behalf of Phil Corwin [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Don Blumenthal; Graeme Bunton; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Recap &
Moving Forward</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes,
Graeme, it is quite useful.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My
only question regards this sentence – “Shouldn't an
IP rights holder know who they've allowed to use it
and for what? “ If “it” is a trademark/brand name,
wouldn’t the rights holder already know that?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best,
Philip</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">Philip
S. Corwin, Founding Principal</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">Twitter:
@VlawDC</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">"Luck
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Don Blumenthal<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Graeme Bunton; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Recap
& Moving Forward</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,
Graeme. This summary is very helpful.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Don</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Recap &
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style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">For my own
benefit I thought it useful to try and capture
highlights from the recent list discussion.
Apologies if I've mis-characterized any of your
arguments. I was trying to collect and aggregate
them for my own understanding, and perhaps this is
also useful for others.<br>
<br>
In general, we're still discussing disclosure. This
has created two related threads of conversation, one
around the definition of content, another for
allegations of IP infringement, though they mostly
overlap.<br>
<br>
Before we get to that, Eric Brunner-Williams, via
Michele introduced some language that I thought was
interesting and helpful, at least for introducing
some precision in our discussions. This was, If I
am understanding correctly, that we can break down
some issues into two groups:<br>
<br>
String issues: problems directly related to the
string of characters that constitute a domain name<br>
Resolved resource issues: problems related to what a
domain name is pointed at<br>
<br>
I think it's worthwhile for us to discuss using
those terms going forward.<br>
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<b>Re: Allegations of IP Infringement and Disclosure
& what constitutes content</b>
<br>
Phil Corwin raised concerns about relaying
registrant details upon an allegation of
infringement. He pointed out that UDRP and URS
exist for string issues, and that complaints are
frequently dismissed and reverse domain hijacking is
increasing. Mandatory disclosure does not, to
Phil, 'facilitate resolution'. Valeriya was
suggesting that having access to registrant details
prior to filing a UDRP may eliminate the need for
the potential UDRP, as it better enables the rights
holder to determine if a UDRP is warranted. <br>
<br>
We collectively batted this around for a bit, main
points being: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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level1 lfo1">
<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">the
cost of a UDRP may be a useful gate to prevent
abuse
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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level1 lfo1">
<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">'cybersquating'
and stockpiling domain names are not necessarily
examples of bad faith use.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Disclosure
being helpful for the requestor does not by itself
justify the disclosure
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level1 lfo1">
<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">UDRP
filings due to the subsequent publishing of
details are generally worse for the registrant
than disclosure
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Disclosure
rather than publish may keep the customer for the
provider.
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">I
don't think we resolved much from this discussion,
but perhaps it clarified the positions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To
me, and perhaps someone can clarify, it seems like
the request for disclosure on allegation of
infringement is to be used to fill in a rights
holders' information gap. Shouldn't an IP rights
holder know who they've allowed to use it and for
what? Should we be building this mechanism, given
the potential for abuse and the importance of
protecting registrant privacy?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">The
separate thread around the definition of content, if
i may borrow a phrase from Steve, generated more
heat than light. It ended up centering around the
issue that most privacy/proxy service providers
reserve the right to unilaterally terminate service
to a customer, without due process, while also
insisting that disclosing registrant details to a
3rd party upon IP infringement allegation was itself
violation of due process. Volker and Frank pointed
out that providers reserve the right to protect
themselves, and may not use it lightly. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Which
lastly brings us to the discussion on a moderate
central course of action.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">James had
suggested that we look into the authorization and
identification of 3rd party requestors. It's not a
bad idea, though I suspect easier to implement for
larger providers, so it might be worth hearing an
opinion from others.<br>
<br>
I'm going to circle back to some of the discussions
and proposals that registrars had worked on
privately, and will see if that can be made ready
for prime time. I'd encourage everyone to ponder
ways forward on this issue, as we move on to
category G to make a bit of headway before circling
back.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Graeme </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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