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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Graeme Bunton – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Frank Michlick – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Don Blumenthal – RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">David Heasley-IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Chris Pelling – RrSG<u><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Justin Macy - BC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Susan Kawaguchi – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Kristina Rosette – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sarah Wyld – RrSG</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Val Sherman – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Volker Greimann - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Libby Baney – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Luc Seufer – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Michele Neylon – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Keith Kupferschmid-IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Phil Marano – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Griffin Barnett – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Lindsay Hamilton-Reid-RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:white">Kiran Malancharuvil-IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <b><u>Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 11 November 2014:<o:p></o:p></u></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew: Welcome to the PPSAI call on
11 November 2014</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Theo Geurts:Afternoon all.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:Afternoon all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:G'mornin all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Frank Michlick:Good morning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Val Sherman:Hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:afternoon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Susan Kawaguchi and Libby Baney have joined<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Susan Prosser has joined audio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Stephanie Perrin has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:I am sorry I missed Don's comment about the change in process...what was it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:I missed it too<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, sorry I'm late<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:David Cake has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:The change was that we will not have a presentation from law enforcement or privacy authorities<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:NOt ever?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:can't hear don<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Kristina Rosette has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Stephanie, the idea now given our timeline is to have LEA and DPA input on our prelim recommendations instead of doing a full presentation each.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:+1 to James<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:With the Remembrance Day holiday today and the deadlines coming up for us, it did not seem realistic to expect LEA and DPA to have fully digested our work so far in order to
have a meaningful session.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:@ Mary, makes sense.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:No problem :) We really would welcome LEA and DPA input, though, so we appreciate the suggestions.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:DPA input would have indeed help to deal with the compliance part. I am not sure how to demonstrate compliance in case of a relay without disclosing the registrant details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:Tha'ts a good question.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:My guess is the best that can be done is to explain the process without revealing user details<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:@Luc simply provide the "OK" string of mail delivery<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:with a time and date stamp<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Steve, we'll take your question back to our Compliance colleagues, but my guess is that we won't have reliable or many statistics since there's no real way right now to distinguish
a P/P registration from a non-P/P one just from the registration data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:Does the ok string reveal IP address?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:no<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:^^@ Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:and I would if it were my service, strip out any personal info and provide if required just the ok string, as confirmation with date and time<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:@Mary, "gaining registrars" in this process may have some insights.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Steve, thanks - we'll ask Compliance and the Rr Services team.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ Stephanie - it probably would in Australlia as well<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:On Steve's point - it may be helpful if Registrar SG members who are in this WG could comment, if they've come across this :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:if I have this wrong Steve, sorry, but, RDE escrow the correct registrant information as per the RDE spec, if a registrar is accredited for both, registrar AND PP provider,
then ICANN need only amend the RDE escrow to include a further field for "PP" Y or N.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:Now, this means ICANN may or may not want to do that, but, thats the easiest way<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Chris, are you suggesting the WG recommend this step?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Christian Dawson:On a bad Internet connection while traveling and the audio keeps dropping out so I can't follow. Will listen to the recording later - dropping off.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:hell no mary - its a thought<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:thanks for the music ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:OK thanks, just checking!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:hehehe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:OSprru dpm wjat was tjat<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:Sorry don what was that ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:Proxy and privacy service provider are defined in our terms of reference, the issue iarises when a provider of those services loses accreditation.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:In the registrar situatoin are registrants guarranteed the same terms of service from the gaining registrar?
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:@Don, they may not exist now but they may very soon...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Don Blumenthal:Stephanie, how much can we guide our work on "maybe?"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:The transfer issue was how to maintain the privacy of p/p user details on the transfer process to another p/p provider<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Steve, I don't believe so because I don't believe ICANN is in a position to measure/gauge different Registrar ToS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:I guess that depends, Don, on how seriously you take the EWG report.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Volker A. Greimann:somebody please pick up that phone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Don Blumenthal:"take seriously" doesn't equal the likelihood of any recommendaiton being implemented.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:@Mary Very helpful. I think, with or wihtout the EWG recommendations, we could list potential issues that are not addressed in the current transfer protocol.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:I would have a concern if we leave unresolved issues to an implementation process. We should be working through the issues here as much as possible. Policy should not be
decided by an implementation group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Griffin Barnett has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:I would agree with Holly....we are starting from a tabula rasa here, in that PP services are not subject to rules at the moment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Frank Michlick:When a registrar is deaccredited, usually the domains and customers are transferred to registrars that have a similar offering .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ frank - I think that is what we assumed. The issue we had is how to preserve he privacy of registrant details in that transfer process<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Frank Michlick:The transfer usually is coordinated by ICANN, the registry whois would not change and the Registrar Data Escrow data would be made available to the registrar who gains the
registrar. That data should contain the underlying actual registration data. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Frank Michlick:unless the issue that Michele is bringing up takes place...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:we've had nasty transfers from de-accreds<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:orphaned domains with no identifiable owner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:So what happens to the registrant in that case?
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:Graeme - we had that issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:And my understanding is that a gaining registrar has to verify registrant details - with implications for privacy?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:Catch 22 started on west side of Atlantic
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:Stephanie - you try to help them if they can give you proof
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:Steve - I know<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon::)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:Trouble hearing don agian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:fine for me<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:audio I mean<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:ok for me too<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:fine for me too(but I am young)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:So surely this is an issue that is within our remit.....something in the accreditation/de-accreditation regime has to take care of the needs of the registrant, in the case where
they wind up in the hands of an unscrupulous/non-compliant provider<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:Luc - you just love using that line<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:until I turn 30<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:Stephanie which one is the problem? the one that's losing or the one that's gainin? :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:Luc - you're over 30 already<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ stephanie - I think one of the rules will be transfeONLY to an accredited p/p provider??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:Steve - yeah - big difference<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:@michele, we have to defend users against both, I realize that is probably tough...:-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:Remembering that we would not be de-accrediting if they weren't accredited in the first place....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ Stephanie - agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:The four points Steve mentioned have been posted in the right hand side Notes Pod.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:To be really effective every registry should impose that the underlying data be escrowed with the RDE. But this would require an amdendment of every RA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:Your domains are safe with us, Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:I know Graeme..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:will it be in the records that Tucows igoing belly up next time Stephanie is going on a world cruise?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:Absolutely!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:@James, agree that this is a difficult matter but there needs to be some kind of escrow/optout for the customer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:I think that, becausse notice should be given, registrants could be allowed to make a choice of another p/p provider<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Don Blumenthal:Notice should be given at what point?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ Don - we were talking about a kind of 3 strickes before you are out -<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:We'll send out some notes after the call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Frank Michlick:Thank you all. Ciao.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie:Thanks Don!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:Merci Don<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:Thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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