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<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 23 December 2014</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Val Sherman:Hello All!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:Good morning!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, I apologize but today a may have to leave before the end oof the call.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:No worries, Osvaldo!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Don Blumenthal:Usual audio problems on this PC.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Val Sherman:ditto</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:Wicked echo, Don</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:Better! thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Osvaldo Novoa:Is OK now</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:John Berryhill has joined the call</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Chris Pelling:afternoon all, sorry I am late</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:Sounds like a great idea, customers would then also understand what could happen</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Thanks, James!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Paul McGrady:Sorry to be late.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady has joined the room</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Frank Michlick:Agree, transferring a P&P registration elsewhere is not as trivial as it may sound and may involve a change of registrar.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Frank Michlick:If P&P were a registry function then it would be a different story, but it isn't and probably shouldn't be.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Carlton Samuels has joined the room</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Morning all</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:We cannot assume that a P/P service provider is a registry</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:..let's deconstruct; the one must not be tied to the other. There must be specific policy guidelines for deaccreditation for whatever reason</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:So we explicity state what deaccreditation means in this context, maybe with a listing of actions, without restrictions</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Kathy:sorry, participating from a tough spot.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Kathy:But are both privacy and choice preserved for Registrants</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Kathy:in the new language?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: Yes, I think it should be</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Richard Leaning:i agree also with Kathy</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Kathy:Great- that's key!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@James, no we don't have that explicitly stated at the moemnt; something to include in the final draft Initial Report</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Osvaldo Novoa:Sorry all, I have to leave now. Best wishes to all in the up coming festivities</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Kathy:There are a lot of privacy/data protection statute issues involved in the escrow of p/p data</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@James: Even with escrow, the registrant must NOT be disadvantaged and should retin the right to choose their provider</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Kathy:I think it is something we should discuss - perhaps with the larger group</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: +1. The data protection principles under which the data was originally curated remains with the data. So it cannot go to a regime that is less than what originally obtains</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:When I use the term 'regime' I mean both law and practicve</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:hardly: U sound far away Steph</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Chris Pelling:I can hear aok</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Chris Pelling:gone all quiet now</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Chris Pelling:WOW</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Chris Pelling:hehe</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Frank Michlick:the whole thing</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Frank Michlick:please</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Kathy:@Stephanie, is this what you are saying: that the commitment of protection by a secondary P/P Provider (who receives the transferred escrowed data) should be similar to the protections of the original
P/P Providers?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@ Kathy: The registrant should have a say; must affirm positively</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Frank Michlick:Thank you</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:No problem!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:Absolutely agree with James....</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:The P/P provision is assumed to be a set of conditions not necessarily related to DP law. The terms are paramount here for the registrant who signed up</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:Volker: I'm curious do you have issues with Iron Mountain/Data Escrow? Does IM store your data somewhere in Europe?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Theo Geurts:i expect issues with Iron Mountain later on when EU privacy laws get tougher</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:What we must ensure is that they are not disadvantaged in failure in any way shape or form. We can frame what should ahppen in that event using a DP-type regime since they exist and I
don't like to recreate wheels.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:But the baseline is a set of contracted conditions that must be preserved</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Theo Geurts:but iron mountain is not the only ICANN appointed Escrow service, so i expect we will switch in the future</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Don Blumenthal:Or a Russian entity for Rusian customers because of their new law?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:This is what binding corporate rules gets around....and those rules could be part of the accreditation requirements which you suggested.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Volker Greimann:James: That is already the case. Your european customer data _is_ subject to European DP laws</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Steph: +1</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Volker Greimann:under European law, that is</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Frank Michlick: Happy Holidays!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Kathy:Happy Holidays, All!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Paul McGrady:Thanks everyone! Happy Holidays!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Thank you Don for piloting</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Frank Michlick:See you in the new year.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Philip Corwin:Merry everthing!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Every Good Wish ALL</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:Happy holidays everyone!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:Thanks, Don and the PPSAI Die Hards! See you in 2015!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Kathy:Tx Don!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Darcy Southwell:Happy holidays!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Theo Geurts:happy holidays everyone</div>
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