<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I am relaxed about what words we use. But Steve, early on, we did use the term reveal to distinguish it from relay. So if we are to use other terminology - fine. But please, let’s be clear. - and a definition section will be very helpful<div><br></div><div>Holly</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 28 Jan 2015, at 1:59 am, Metalitz, Steven <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 24px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 22px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">In fact we are using “disclose,” not “reveal,” to cover the scenario Holly describes , “to make known to the party making the query.” <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 24px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 22px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Kathy Kleiman<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:54 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Updated Draft Reporr (Re: Proposed agenda - PPSAI WG meeting0<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 24px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi All,<br>I think Holly is exactly right. The use of "reveal" to define "reveal" is a bit confusing. How about a set of edits such as those [1.3.1 #15]?<br>Best,<br>Kathy<br>:<br></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;">·</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">“Publication” means the [DEL: reveal] [ADD: announcement] of a person’s (i.e. the licensee or beneficial owner of a registered domain name) identity/contact details in the WHOIS system [ADD: to the public].</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;"><br>·</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">“Disclosure” means the [DEL: reveal][ADD: sharing] of a person’s (i.e. the licensee or beneficial owner of a registered domain name) identity/contact details to a third party requestor without Publication in the WHOIS system.</span><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br><br>:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">Folks<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">Just a quick comment on language in section 1.3.1 - Point 15. the use of the term reveal in the context of ‘publication’ is confusing. This WG is using the term reveal in a quite specific way - i.e., to make known to the party making the query. Publication is, as I understand it, to the public at large. So please, let’s not use the same terms in the same sentence.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">For publication - maybe making the information publicly available, or something like that<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">Holly<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">On 27 Jan 2015, at 2:26 am, Mary Wong <a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><mary.wong@icann.org></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><DRAFT WG Initial Report - updated 21 Jan 2015.doc><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><a href="mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </span></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>