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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks, Mary. I apologize for the late
thoughts on Friday's note but that's my routine these days. :( <br>
<br>
This outline and work plan look good to me (noting the possibility
of another facilitated session). I'm sorry that we are pushing the
timeline back this much but the only way to avoid it is to ask for
the kind of email discussions that you suggested on Friday. I'm
skeptical that that can work. The WG has engaged in some excellent
conversations when members pursued issues that grabbed their
attention, but general "talk amongst yourselves" requests haven't
been productive. Of course, we can shorten the schedule if we move
more quickly than planned. <br>
<br>
I will try to be on the call. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Don<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 3/2/2015 11:14 AM, Mary Wong wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear all,</div>
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<div>Following from Steve’s email, here is the proposed agenda
for the WG call on Tuesday 3 March; please also note the
attached revised Work Plan for this WG, which takes into
account recent discussions and updates our timeline for
publication of our Initial Report and delivery of a Final
Report to the GNSO Council:</div>
<ol>
<li>Roll call/updates to SOI</li>
<li>Finalize discussion on draft document on discussion
standards</li>
<li>Discuss remaining questions concerning Category F (Reveal)
- see below</li>
<li>Discuss proposed WG face-to-face facilitated meeting at
ICANN53</li>
<li>Next steps/next meeting</li>
</ol>
<div>To assist with the WG’s discussion of agenda item #3, here
are the outstanding questions for Category F, as phrased in
the draft Initial Report under discussion (they can be found
in Section 1.3.2 of the Executive Summary):</div>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 24px; font-family:
Garamond;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"
lang="EN-GB"><font size="3">Should there be uniform
minimum standards for accredited P/P providers to
apply in determining when to Disclose or Publish, or
in verifying a requestor’s identity?<o:p></o:p></font></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 24px; font-family:
Garamond;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"
lang="EN-GB"><font size="3">Should it be mandatory for
accredited P/P providers to comply with express
requests from LEA in the provider’s jurisdiction not
to notify a customer? Should there be mandatory
Publication for certain types of activity e.g.
malware/viruses or violation of terms of service
relating to illegal activity? What (if any) should the
remedies be for unwarranted Publication?<o:p></o:p></font></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 24px; font-family:
Garamond;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"
lang="EN-GB"><font size="3">Should it be mandatory for
accredited P/P providers to comply with express
requests for Disclosure for the purpose of sending
cease and desist letters or notices of formal legal
proceedings against the customer? Should customer
notification in such cases be mandatory?</font></span></li>
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<div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri;
font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;
text-decoration: none;">Cheers</span></div>
<div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri;
font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;
text-decoration: none;">Mary</span></div>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font
class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Senior Policy
Director</font></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font
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603 574 4892</font></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font
class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Email:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a></font></font></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Monday, March 2,
2015 at 09:54<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "'PPSAI (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>)'"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>
[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Updated document re disclosure standards<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Attached please find an updated version of
the document Graeme and I circulated prior to last
week’s meeting. This updated version includes three
or four wording tweaks, intended to reflect the
discussion on last week’s call. Looking forward to
further discussion on tomorrow’s call.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Steve Metalitz
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">From:
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;"><Metalitz>,
Steven <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, February 23, 2015 at 11:57<br>
<b>To: </b>"'PPSAI (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>)'"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Category
F -- updated status report and text for discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">PPSAI WG members,
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">This follows up on our note
of Feb. 3 providing a status report on
subgroup discussions among some IP interests
and p/p service providers regarding p/p
disclosure standards. To reiterate, the
group’s work is not meant to obviate or
displace the work of the larger PPSAI WG on
this issue – rather, it is meant to
constructively contribute to the discussion by
producing one proposal on this issue for the
larger group’s consideration. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">In light of further
consideration and of the need to move forward
the WG discussion on Category F, we present
the attached document that we hope will help
provide a framework for discussion of the
disclosure issue in the WG. We emphasize that
this is not a proposal from IPC, the Registrar
Stakeholder Group, or any subset of either,
and that we fully anticipate the text to be
modified and improved through further
discussion at the WG level. (We also
acknowledge that the WG may find the proposal
wholly unsatisfactory but hope that it will at
least help advance debate.)
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">The attached is put forward
as a starting point, to use intellectual
property infringement complaints as one
illustrative example of minimum disclosure
standards, in a framework that addresses (1)
a service provider process for intake of
requests; (2) general templates that requests
would have to meet in order to trigger service
provider action; and (3) principles governing
service provider action in response to a
conforming request. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">We look forward to the
discussion of this document among WG members.
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Graeme Bunton</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Steve Metalitz</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;">
Metalitz, Steven
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 03, 2015
3:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> PPSAI (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Category F -- status
report</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dear WG colleagues,
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">As you know, several PPSAI
Working Group members, including
representatives of the IPC and privacy and
proxy service providers, have endeavored to
develop a collaborative proposal on the
minimum standards for disclosure (Category F).
The group’s work is not meant to obviate or
displace the work of the larger group on this
issue – rather, it is meant to constructively
contribute to the discussion by producing one
proposal on this issue for the larger group’s
consideration. This is an update on this
sub-group’s progress.</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">But first, a little
background: At the face-to-face meeting of the
PPSAI Working Group in Los Angeles on October
10, 2014, one important topic was minimum
standards for disclosure of contact
information of customers of privacy/proxy
services who may or may not be using their
private domain name registrations to carry out
infringing or other abusive activities.
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Prior to the face-to-face
meeting, IPC participants in the Working Group
circulated a proposal on this topic. A
responsive redline was circulated to the WG by
Volker Greimann. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Following extensive
discussion of these proposals and of the topic
in general at the face-to-face meeting, a
sub-group of WG participants have continued
this discussion. The sub-group includes
participants from the IPC and privacy/proxy
service providers. Meeting by teleconference
and working over e-mail, the sub-group has
sought to develop a text that could be jointly
presented to the PPSAI Working Group as a
framework for further discussion on the issue
of standards for disclosure. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Some progress has been
made, and the sub-group is continuing its
efforts with the goal of producing a document
for presentation to the PPSAI Working Group as
soon after the Singapore ICANN meeting as
feasible. If such a document is completed, it
is hoped that it would be a constructive
contribution to eventual WG approval of a set
of recommendations on “Category F” for
inclusion in the Draft Report of the WG.
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Unlike the documents
discussed by the full WG last October, the
framework under discussion does not purport to
establish a single general policy for when
disclosure of contact information in cases of
alleged abusive activities would be
available. Instead, it seeks to focus more
narrowly on intellectual property infringement
complaints as one illustrative example of
minimum disclosure standards. The framework
would describe (1) a service provider process
for intake of requests; (2) general templates
that requests would have to meet in order to
trigger service provider action; and (3)
principles governing service provider action
in response to a conforming request. While
considerable progress has been made in the
first two areas, a number of critical issues
remain to be resolved in the third area, and
discussion has not been concluded on any of
the areas.
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">The expressed common goal
of the discussion group participants is a
framework that would give requestors a higher
degree of certainty and predictability as to
if, when and how they could obtain what level
of disclosure; that would preserve for service
providers a sufficient degree of flexibility
and discretion in acting upon requests for
disclosure; and that would include reasonable
safeguards and procedures to protect the
legitimate interests of customers of
accredited proxy/privacy service providers.
Of course, balancing these interests is the
difficult task before our working group. As
stated, participants in the discussion group
hope to be able to make a constructive
contribution to the WG’s efforts to do so. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Graeme Bunton</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Steve Metalitz</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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