<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div><div><div>Hi Kathy and everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>Assuming the WG continues to make good progress, the revised time line in the updated Work Plan that was circulated recently has the Initial Report out for public comment - for a minimum period of 40 days - sometime in mid- (or possibly late) April. This will allow the WG to begin its review of public comments received during the lead-up to the Buenos Aires meeting, such that a F2F session there can be helpful to the WG’s preparations for its formal Consensus Call and Final Report.</div><div><br></div><div>I hope this helps.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Mary</div><div><div><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Mary Wong</font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Senior Policy Director</font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)</font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Telephone: +1 603 574 4892</font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Email: mary.wong@icann.org</font></font></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 10:27<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div class="moz-cite-prefix">The real question though is -- for what purpose? I can understand all-day F2F meeting when we are in the throes of issues and development - but won't our report be out by then?
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Best,<br>
Kathy<br>
:<br></div><blockquote cite="mid:54F658DB.8080701@donblumenthal.com" type="cite"><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Kiran,<br><br>
I see your point about burnout from an extra day. We also probably will lose people because they can't afford additional travel expenses.<br><br>
However, the last two ICANN meetings, particularly SIN, showed that we already lose important contributors to conflicts for our sessions during the ICANN week. Client and employer demands, and general "I'm up to my ears in this stuff already and can catch up
later" attitudes often trump the WG. In addition, based on experience, announcing closed meetings during the week (assuming we continue with that F2F model) invite the aggravation of having to explain why.<br><br>
I'm not a fan of an extra day. However, I think it's the only way to get the critical mass and focus that makes the F2F worthwhile.<br><br>
Don<br><br>
On 3/3/2015 5:40 PM, Kiran Malancharuvil wrote:<br></div><blockquote cite="mid:926E43FCC207664C935C60A79481D135FACF5C@BDC-EXMBX1.mm-ads.com" type="cite"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I understand the benefits, but frankly it’s not possible. If the group is okay with eliminating voices and viewpoints, especially in a time where we are attempting
to increase participation, diversity (gender, geographic, socioeconomic, etc.) and be more welcome to newcomers, that’s fine, but be aware of the consequences.
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> Phil Corwin [<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>]
<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> Kiran Malancharuvil; Mary Wong; <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Kiran:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I understand where you are coming from.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">But, the one big virtue of an all-day F2F meeting is that the participants can stick with a subject and resolve it rather than stop short due to artificial
time constraints. In Singapore, despite the collective fatigue, we made far more progress in the time we engaged than we would have in any series of meetings adding up to the same time expenditure.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Besides, I can’t imagine, given the diversity of WG participants and their interests/responsibilities, that we can find any time slots for shorter meetings
during the full ICANN meeting that wouldn’t present irreconcilable conflicts for a substantial portion of participants.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Best, Philip<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">Virtualaw LLC</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">1155 F Street, NW</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">Suite 1050</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">Washington, DC 20004</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">202-559-8597/Direct</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">202-559-8750/Fax</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">202-255-6172/cell</span><span style="color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">Twitter: @VlawDC</span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey</span></i></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> Kiran Malancharuvil [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com">mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com</a>]
<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi Guys,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible.
Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic.
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week?
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br>
Kiran<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Corwin<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mary Wong; <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I would urge looking at the 19<sup>th</sup> rather than the 26<sup>th</sup>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG.
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair
the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they
are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Take that for what it’s worth.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><br><br><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <br><pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
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