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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Terri Agnew<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-secs@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 10 March 2015 at 1500 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Tuesday
10 March <span style="color:black">2015 at 15:00 UTC</span><span style="color:#1F497D"> at:
</span></span><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-10mar15-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-10mar15-en.mp3</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#m</span></a><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">ar</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u>Attendees:</u> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Frank Michlick – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Justin Macy - BC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Val Sherman – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";background:white">Griffin Barnett – IPC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Kathy Kleiman – NCSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Darcy Southwell – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Todd Williams – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">David Heasley - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Steve Metalitz - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Graeme Bunton – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Jim Bikoff - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Holly Raiche – ALAC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Vicky Scheckler – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Volker Greimann – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Alex Deacon –IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sarah Wyld – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Carlton Samuels – ALAC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <b><u>Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday
</u></b></span><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">10 March <span style="color:black">2015</span></span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 10 March 2015<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Graeme Bunton:Good morning all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Holly Raiche:Morning all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Kathy:Hi All!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Bladel:Morning everyone. Welcome to DST, for those who believe in such things. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Luc Seufer:Good afternoon to those one the civilised part of the world! :-P<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Holly Raiche:So what is the 'civililsed' part of the world?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Darcy Southwell:Good morning!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:Jim Bikoff, David Heasley, Kiran Malancharuvil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Philip Corwin:Good morning. because of the time shift for those of us in the USA I am going to have to leave this call for another in 30 minutes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Luc Seufer:Up to you Holly, I am just trolling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:have all joined<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:Welcome Darcy Southwell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Philip Corwin:When will we have an update on the possible F2F in BA? I would like to make my travel arrangements soon and it's difficult to do so absent that information.
Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:If anyone has any comments on the new edits, please just let us know soonest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Marika Konings:For those that did not provide their input to the doodle poll yet, please see
</span><a href="http://doodle.com/782mf9fgfrwyrszp"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://doodle.com/782mf9fgfrwyrszp</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Kathy: @Mary, probably edits when big picture issues out of the way...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Luc Seufer:reg. II A. (2) could we modify it so that a copy of the complaint be provided to Provider and not only the proof of use of the relay function.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:@Kathy, thanks! In the meantime, if there are comments on what was updated based on last week's call, just let us know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Holly Raiche:@ Kathy - Happy to join in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> steve metalitz:Because of the time zone shifts, the second half of this call conflicts with a previously scheduled IPC meeting. Apologies that I will have to drop off
then. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:Welcome Stephanie Perrin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Graeme Bunton:Are we also losing other members of IPC?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:Welcome Osvaldo Novoa<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, sorry I am late<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:Sorry to be late, no internet connection so life is complicated this morning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:David Hughes has joined audio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Holly Raiche:@KLathy - good summary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:Welcome Carlton Samuels<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Carlton Samuels:Howdy everybody<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Carlton Samuels:Apologies for late arrival<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Carlton Samuels:@Stephanie: +1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Carlton Samuels:The issue is not to absolve but to help a provider if they think they do need it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Carlton Samuels:Call this an abundance of caution<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Volker A. Greimann:did Kathy drop?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:Howdy Carlton!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Graeme Bunton:i can hear her<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:Stephanie dropped....on a rickety phone blaster which goes in and out...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:You dont have to say yes to every group that pops up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:@Stephanie, that is true - and we understand this is an early stage fleshing out of the possibility. Nonetheless, when we start to think about setting up "advisory
groups" for "non-legal disputes" it's hard to see how to draw the line.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:Also, as Steve noted, this may be something that would be more acceptable if it's industry-led ... sort of like "self regulation" in other realms.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Carlton Samuels:@Mary: Point well taken. The objective is to help providers deal with that registrant in that knotty fringe group for - and I hate to use this term
'fair and balanced' response. It allows the provider to second guess when they are conflicted
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:I understand that Mary. I think the problem as we see it is that fundamental human rights issues are not getting the adivice and policy treatment that
they merit....they are being treated like all the other economic issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Volker A. Greimann:+1 graeme<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Bladel:That was exactly what I was intending to raise, Graeme.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Mary Wong:@Stephanie, all - wouldn't the so-called "bad actor" providers either just punt to the panel all the time, or have no incentive to use one at all on the other
hand?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Carlton Samuels:This would not be a free for all. There must be some determination by the provider that the case elicited an 'Um.....' and it would be useful to get
a second opinion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:@Carlton, hence my latest question about why would providers use the panel.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:That is why you have a screening process....a relatively junior employee, when trained, can screen these kinds of calls. Data protection offices do
it all the time, and I can tell you what grade level of employee does it, and what the job description and required skills/knowledge are.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Philip Corwin:Bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Holly Raiche:@ Mary - the proposed panel or whatever would have the resources that may not be available to the provider - to stave off a provider just saying yes because
they are unsure<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:@Stephanie, so this is envisaged as someone on ICANN staff who does the screening?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:Welcome Chris Pelling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Holly Raiche:If we could be confident tha, when in doubt, just say no, we'd be happy. The wworry if it is all too hard, someone just says yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Chris Pelling:Hi all, sorry for lateness - dentist :/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Carlton Samuels:To my mind the knotty ones come in view when there are competing 'rights' and to figure out which gets the benefit of doubt for the "no, I shan't reveal'.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> vicky sheckler:note that proposal requires full contant info of complainant, plus penalty of perjury language on allegation. then, the service provider has some discretion
on when to reveal w/in certain parameters<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> vicky sheckler:what about the human rights of the creators of the content whose livelihood is being taken away b/c their content is blatently stolen? This is trying
to find a practical solution with checks / safety valves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Holly Raiche:@ Vicky - we are also trying to find a practical solution for both sides of this issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Chris Pelling:ringing noise ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:@all, we are locating the line<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:@Vicki exactly...the reveal request provides for only one side of the human rights issue, the content holder, in your example.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:Mary if we do that, then we have to punt on the reveal request issue as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> vicky sheckler:stephanie - your proposal discounts creators human rights. teh category F proposal provides to provide checks and balances consisten with some mechanims
that have worked in other contects in the past while not significantly increasing p/p proivder costs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Holly Raiche:@ Mary - I'd be very sad if an ICANN WG can not at lease recognise and ry to deal with the larger issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:@holly, I didn't mean that we wouldn't recognize it. I meant that we DO recognize it but that possibly full resolution needs to be part of a broader discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Holly Raiche:@ Mary - maybe this is one of he places we need to have a larger discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Holly Raiche:Maybe part of the solution is REQUIRING and p/P provider to spell out exactly when they will reveal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:@Holly, again, not discounting importance - but the larger ramifications are beyond the remit of this WG on our specific issue. That's why I thought it might
be helpful for us to explicitly recognize the problem in our report, but that we also recgnize that the best solution needs more discussion/broader input/time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:Vicki I dont think you are quite understanding our position....if a creator is not getting a reveal, or is decided against in an expert panel, they
can always take their case with the privacy case. He, in other words, has rights. If the end user (domain user/owner) does not have this option, his rights are being decided by those with an extremely strong financial interest in not defending his rights
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:Privacy proxy service provider, i meant (instead of privacy case in line 4)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:What we are looking for is maintaining an equilibrium in rights here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:@Holly - that is already in the WG agreed recs, ie Providers must spell out the circumstances under which they reveal, in the customer agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> vicky sheckler:agree w/ graeme re: way to move forward<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:@mary, as was pointed out a few calls ago....by Michele, I believe....if providers are hit with too many costs, they will simply change their terms
of service and dump the cliient.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:Stephanie, understood - hence question about why providers would use this advisory group if it doesn't absolve them from liability (which we cannot do).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Kathy:We also have a precedent of the Independent Obector taking on a very narrow type of important protections... very narrow!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:It saves them money.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:I think if you check the EWG report, we put some examples of edge cases in there.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Holly Raiche:Maybe weall look at the EWG to see if we can bring some of that thinking here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:I have longer versions Holly, I will forward to our little subgroup.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Holly Raiche:@ Stephanie - Tks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Kathy:Any easy questions, Graeme?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:What about the face to face meeting in BA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Stephanie Perrin:thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> dick leaning:bye all need to go to next meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Kathy:Tx All for the discussion of these important issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Holly Raiche:Thanks you GRaeme<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Frank Michlick:Thank you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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