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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Paul, Hi Jim,<br>
No, the proposal would not apply to attorneys. The proposal is
designed to apply to consultants and other outside entities not
bound by the attorney-client relationship. We'll be certain to
clarify in the next version. But tracing back to our discussions
over the last few weeks -- we have been concerned about parties
*other than attorneys and officers of the company* making legal
allegations and taking possession of private data. By the rules
we live by, attorneys for the company (inside and outside counsel)
and officers of the corporation are bound by a number of ethical
and fiduciary rules (depending on their position) that help ensure
that they will operate a) within the scope of their expertise in
making legal allegations of infringement and b) within the scope
of their authority to legally bind their companies to the
limitations that the policy will require for the use of the
revealed data. <br>
<br>
What we are looking for is some documentation from the Trademark
Owner/Copyright Owner that consultants and others similarly have
a) the expertise to make the legal allegations of infringement,
and b) have the legal authority to bind Procter & Gamble and
others to limitations on the use of the revealed data once
received. <br>
<br>
The half page authorization and delegation to the consultant on
letterhead from the Trademark Owner/Copyright Owner that I think
Chris Pelling spoke of today would probably complement Val's
self-attestation terms nicely. It does not have to be delivered to
the Provider and certainly not checked, verified or confirmed by
the Provider, but it should be available for audit. And again,
applies to those not bound by the other rules we have discussed...<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Kathy<br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tx Val, <br>
Many of us think adding the statement you have drafted below
would be very useful. Tx you! But still it does not get its
hand around our full concer. What we seek is not the
self-declaration of the Consultant, but the clear delegation
of the Trademark/Copyright Owner (e.g., Procter and Gamble).
Where is the authorization? <br>
<br>
James Gannon, our newest member, has been working on some
language that is perhaps a little long, and I am sure we can
consolidate, but creates a "Letter of Delegation of
Authority for Reveal Requests" that shows clearly that the
Trademark/Copyright Owner at the senior levels intended to
delegate the authority for the legal judgments of
infringements being made, and the limitations on the use of
the revealed data being committed to. Provided to the
Provider and, if necessary, the Customer.<br>
<br>
Here's the language. Best, Kathy<br>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt">In order to find a compromise
between both sides of the aisle here I suggest the
following possible solution:<br>
<br>
Policy Principle: Entities who issue requests pursuant to
the Policy must ensure they have the delegated authority
to do so. Where an entity requests a reveal of records and
does not have the written authority to do so, the entity
is deemed to be in non-compliance with the policy. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Detailed
Policy Language for Principle:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
sitting corporate officers or general counsel of the
requester organization issues a<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Letter of Delegation
of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt">A</span>uthority<span
class="apple-converted-space"> for Reveal Requests </span>to
be held directly by anyone to whom the Reveal Request
authority is delegated. <span class="apple-converted-space">
</span>This letter is separate to the general delegation of
agency to work on the holders behalf. This letter would be
specifically delegating the authority to issue Reveal
Requests to P/P Service Providers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
letter<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>would<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>include the
following provisions:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">-
Confirming and warranting the authorization of the delegator
to appoint a delegate as an sitting Officer or General
Counsel of the company or entity in question.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">-
Specifying the nature of the delegation and the subject to
whom the delegation is being given.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">-
For each individual that the delegation of authority
applies, a letter so delegating that authority to the
individual, by name, will be prepared. This letter will
specify that the delegation is specific to the process for
requesting reveals of personal and potentially private and
sensitive information of individuals, organizations and
companies.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">-
Affirming the authority and expertise of the delegated party
to render legal judgements on trademark and copyright
infringements.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">-
Clearly and directly affirming the commitment of the
delegating organization or company to be bound by the limits
of the use of the Revealed Data as set out in the ICANN
policy now and as it might be modified in the future, and
consistent with the laws of the jurisdiction in which the
Proxy/Privacy Service Provider is incorporated.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">-
Delegating Organization or Company expressly agrees to be
answerable for any challenges that arise by virtue of the
Delegatee's actions in preparing and responding to Reveal
Requests, and the Delegatee's handling of the Revealed Data,
and agrees to be bound to challenge, review and/or lawsuit
in any jurisdiction in which the Delegatee has agreed to be
bound. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">-
Delegating Organization or Company consents Provide a copy
of this Letter of Delegated Authority for Reveal Requests as
a part of the Reveal Request process and as requested by the
Proxy/Privacy Service Provider.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">---<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Following up on our productive discussion
earlier this week, we’d like to offer a suggestion to modify
the “attestation” provisions (II.A.6.c; II.B.7.d; and
II.C.6.c) to require a statement by the requestor specifying
his/her authority for making the request, or basis for
agency if he or she is not the rights holder. For example:
“Where the signatory is not the rights holder, he/she must
attest that he/she is an authorized representative of the
rights holder, capable and qualified to evaluate and address
the matters involved in this request, and having the
authority to make the representations and claims on behalf
of the rights holder in the request.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We could even spell out the statement for
the signatory to make in conjunction with each request : “I
attest that I am the rights holder / authorized
representative of the rights holder, capable and qualified
to evaluate and address the matters involved in this
request, and have the authority to make the representations
and claims in this request.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">These statements of authority and agency
are to be made in good faith, under the penalty of perjury –
just like representations forming the basis for the request
and the requestor’s promise to use the data disclosed only
for limited enumerated purposes – and the falsity of these
statements would be redressable by the method(s) we agree
on.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We believe this approach fairly balances
the considerations expressed by various WG members and look
forward to your thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Val<o:p></o:p></p>
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