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I think "solely" is a high threshold for the providers to
determine. With respect to the language regarding "privacy" vs
"human rights/freedom of expression", etc. I think it is important
to remind ourselves that we are talking about reveal....i.e.
dropping the "privacy" (in the broadest sense) protections provided
by the service provider. That"privacy" service is an instrument to
protect privacy in the legal data protection sense, or freedom of
association and expression for groups, or privacy as protection for
endangered people etc. I believe we need to add more words rather
than subtract them, because I think it is quite confusing,
especially for those not steeped in the lingo.<br>
I think this is a useful discussion and we are definitely getting
there...<br>
Stephanie Perrin <br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-04-07 9:32, Victoria Sheckler
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If we’re going
down this path, Todd’s language I think is better – more
clear, concise, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 7, 2015 8:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Revised Reveal
Doc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tx to Todd and Volker for the discussion.
I have to admit I am torn. On the one hand, I think it is
very important to clarity that we are talking about human
rights concerns -- the "complex speech cases" or as Carlton
has said "the fringe cases." On the other hand, I recognize
that there is a reluctance to use the words "human rights."
I also see Todd's balance and wording to address clearly and
specifically the complex issues we have discussed for so
long.
<br>
<br>
I like Todd's new phrasing below:<span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D">“that the Customer has provided, or
the Provider has found,
</span><span style="color:#44546A">specific</span><span
style="color:red"> facts and circumstances showing
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">that the Requestor’s
trademark or copyright complaint is a pretextual means of
obtaining the Customer’s contact details
</span><span style="color:red">solely </span><span
style="color:#1F497D">for the purpose of contravening the
Customer’s human rights
</span><span style="color:red">(e.g., freedom of
expression).</span><span style="color:#44546A">”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red"><br>
</span><span style="color:#330033">Building on Volker's
revised phrasing, does the following cover the same topics
and strike a new balance:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D">“that the Customer has provided, or
the Provider has found,
</span><span style="color:#44546A">specific</span><span
style="color:red"> information, facts and/or circumstances
indicating
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">that the Requestor’s
trademark or copyright complaint is a pretextual means of
obtaining the Customer’s contact details
</span><span style="color:red">mainly </span><span
style="color:#1F497D">for the purpose of contravening the
Customer’s
<s>privacy</s></span><s><span style="color:red">.</span></s><span
style="color:#44546A">
</span><span style="color:#009900">legitimate rights and
protections (e.g., freedom of expression and freedom of
association).</span><span style="color:#44546A">” [with a
descriptive paragraph in the Policy to describe the
complex/difficult cases we (PPSAI) intended to be covered
and included.]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt"><br>
Todd? Volker? All?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt">Best,<br>
Kathy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thank you
Volker. Would be interested to hear what others have to
say, but I’m OK with the changes that you’ve outlined
below except for the change from “human rights (e.g.,
freedom of expression)” to “privacy.” Several thoughts on
that one:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="color:#1F497D">I specifically included the
reference to “freedom of expression” per Kathy’s request
in our call last week to make that explicit, so I’d want
to hear her thoughts before we remove it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:#1F497D">There’s been a general sentiment –
expressed most recently by Stephanie in our 3-24 call –
that some reference to the human rights “edge cases” that
we’ve been discussing needs to be explicit in the
document. I think there are two options on the table to
do so: 1) do it here; or 2) do it in the much longer
“appendix” on human rights/complex case advisory group
that we discussed earlier. As I’ve argued on the calls
and below, I think that this option more exactly and
unambiguously addresses the “edge case” concerns than did
the previous appendix (or the previous “clear and
convincing” language in III(C)(5), for that matter). So
if by removing the reference to human rights here, we
instead have to go back to square one on discussing and
debating the longer appendix, I’d be against doing so.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:#1F497D">I think substituting “privacy” for
“human rights” confuses the means and ends of what we’re
trying to address, and makes III(C)(5) somewhat circular.
By definition, any time there is a disclosure, the
beneficial user’s privacy is lessened to some extent. The
language in III(C)(5) is not meant to preclude that as an
end in itself – if it did, it would make the rest of the
document moot. Rather, III(C)(5) precludes Requesters
from submitting pretextual complaints in order to then <b><i>misuse</i></b>
the disclosure process that we’ve developed as an improper
<b><i>means</i></b> to a totally <b><i>different</i></b>
<b><i>end</i></b>: namely, the end of somehow impinging on
the Customer’s human rights. I think that we need to keep
that distinction clear for III(C)(5) to work.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">My initial
thoughts; happy to hear what others have to say.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Todd. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 02, 2015 1:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Revised Reveal
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Todd, <br>
<br>
not having discussed this with anyone else, I'd feel more
comforable with language along the lines of:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D">“that the Customer has provided, or
the Provider has found,
</span><span style="color:#44546A">specific</span><span
style="color:red"> information, facts and/or circumstances
indicating
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">that the Requestor’s
trademark or copyright complaint is a pretextual means of
obtaining the Customer’s contact details
</span><span style="color:red">mainly </span><span
style="color:#1F497D">for the purpose of contravening the
Customer’s privacy</span><span style="color:red">.</span><span
style="color:#44546A">”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Solely is
too strong, and needs to be toned down as even a partial
connection to a potential violation would otherwise close
this door.<br>
I removed human rights as this is mainly about privacy. <br>
Showing was also toned down to indicating. The provider is
not a court, he cannot make legal determinations, but he can
accept indications.<br>
Finally, information was added to facts and circumstances,
as again, the provider cannot make factual decisions in
every case and should be able to rely on information.<br>
<br>
VG<br>
VG<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 02.04.2015 um 18:15 schrieb
Williams, Todd:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Following
on our call on Tuesday, I’ve tried to incorporate the
changes that others suggested to the language for
III(C)(5) that I had proposed last week. New language
below (changes in
</span><span style="color:red">red</span><span
style="color:#1F497D">). Let me know if I didn’t
capture any of what we discussed:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">“that the
Customer has provided, or the Provider has found,
</span><span style="color:#44546A">specific</span><span
style="color:red"> facts and circumstances showing
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">that the Requestor’s
trademark or copyright complaint is a pretextual means
of obtaining the Customer’s contact details
</span><span style="color:red">solely </span><span
style="color:#1F497D">for the purpose of contravening
the Customer’s human rights
</span><span style="color:red">(e.g., freedom of
expression).</span><span style="color:#44546A">”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Also, just
to reiterate what I mentioned on the call: yes, I did
intend this new language in III(C)(5) to replace the old
language in III(C)(5) (on the “slam dunk” standard) and
the previous draft appendix on human rights. For the
reasons that I mentioned on the call and below, I think
that this language more exactly and unambiguously
addresses the concerns that we’ve been discussing,
without otherwise disrupting the balance that the draft
proposal has attempted to strike.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Todd. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Kathy Kleiman [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 30, 2015 1:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Williams, Todd; Kiran Malancharuvil; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>; Metalitz, Steven;
Graeme Bunton<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Revised
Reveal Doc</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I have
been mulling over the wording that Todd proposed on
Friday. I think it should be evaluated alongside the
standard we were evaluating (a "clear and convincing") as
a reason for disclosure -- and I would like to hear what
the Providers think. But I think it advances our
discussion... tx Todd!
<br>
<br>
Kathy<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 3/27/2015 5:45 PM, Williams, Todd
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">All:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I wanted
to follow-up on the point that I raised below and in
our call on Tuesday. To reiterate: I think that
III(C)(5) can be more precisely drafted to address the
concern that we’re dealing with – which, as I
understand it, is the risk that pretextual complaints
may be brought for the purpose of violating at-risk
users’ human rights. Assuming that is the risk that
we’re trying to mitigate, what does everybody think of
this proposed draft language:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">C.
Disclosure can be reasonably refused for reasons
consistent with the general policy stated herein,
including but not limited to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">
(5) that the Customer has provided, or the
Provider has found, specific evidence demonstrating
that the Requestor’s trademark or copyright complaint
is a pretextual means of obtaining the Customer’s
contact details for the purpose of contravening the
Customer’s human rights.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Again, I
think that more exactly and unambiguously addresses
the risk that we’ve been discussing in the various
hypothetical scenarios that Kathy and others have put
forward. But I’m happy to discuss further on
Tuesday. Thanks as always.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
Todd.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Williams, Todd<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 23, 2015 4:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kiran Malancharuvil; Kathy Kleiman; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>; Metalitz,
Steven; Graeme Bunton<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Revised
Reveal Doc</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Yes, thank you Kathy for
circulating. Two initial quick thoughts that I wanted
to circulate to the WG now before the call (though like
Kiran, I'd want to reserve comment on other portions as
I review):<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo4">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:Symbol"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->The more that
I’ve thought about III(C)(5), the more I think it’s a
poor fit for what we’re trying to address. As I
understand it from the hypotheticals that we’ve
discussed, the concern is that complainants with
improper motives will use pretextual complaints to seek
disclosure against vulnerable or otherwise at-risk
beneficial users. But III(C)(5) doesn’t really address
pretext or the subjective motives of the complainant at
all. Rather, it simply outlines the standard to be used
in all cases. Perhaps having a higher standard could
weed out some pretextual complaints. But not
necessarily.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo6">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->We could certainly think
of hypotheticals where the complainant may have
pretextual or improper motives, but still puts forward a
claim that on its face passes the III(C)(5) standard.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo6">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->On the other side, I’m
sure we could also think of hypotheticals where the
complainant has completely pure motives, but still has
one or two parts of its trademark or copyright claim
that it’s still trying to pin down (in fact, that may be
the very reason why it is seeking information on who the
beneficial owner is).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">I think
III(C)(5) as currently drafted allows for disclosure in
(1) but not (2) – which seems backwards to me. In other
words, if we’re trying to fight pretext, let’s fight
pretext. As it is, I think the draft already does a
good job of that:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo8">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->I(B)(v) contemplates
revoking access for having filed a pretextual complaint.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo8">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->I(B)(vi) contemplates
Providers sharing information about pretextual
complaints.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo8">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->II(A)(7), II(B)(7), and
II(C)(7) all contemplate that complaints will be
submitted under penalty of perjury (with all of the
deterrence against pretext that goes with that).
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo8">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">4)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->The entire Annex outlines
possibilities for handling disputes that arise from
pretextual complaints.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="text-indent:.5in">If we
want to discuss as a WG whether the draft should do more
on pretext, or perhaps add some language about pretext
to III(C)(2) or III(C)(3), we can. But I think that
trying to fit that square peg (pretext concerns) into a
round hole (the III(C)(5) standard) isn’t the best way
to do it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo4">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:Symbol"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->I like your edits
Kathy to III(D), but can we as a WG agree to remove the
brackets from III(D)? I’m not quite sure why it’s still
bracketed. We’re already editing it (which seems
pointless if it might just go away). And without
III(D), the entire rest of the document – which we’ve
now spent weeks trying to get to a place approaching
consensus – is moot.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Thanks as always.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><br>
Todd. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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On Behalf Of Kiran Malancharuvil<br>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 2:23 PM<br>
To: Kathy Kleiman; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>;
Metalitz, Steven; Graeme Bunton<br>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Revised Reveal Doc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi Kathy,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Thanks for forwarding this to the
group, and special thanks for forwarding with enough
time to review before the call!
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">We can certainly discuss in more
depth on the call tomorrow, but I am not a fan of the
changes in Section II. I'm concerned about the level of
minutiae in the language, and I'm wondering how and why
that level of micromanagement will be helpful/probative
information to the Service Provider. In very large
companies, the trademark owner/president/VP/partner,
etc. isn't actually involved directly in the enforcement
activity. It should be enough to demonstrate agency, as
the previous language did. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Perhaps I will have more later,
but I wanted to float that to the group before the call.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Kiran<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Kiran Malancharuvil<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">MarkMonitor<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a
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On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 11:19
AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>;
Metalitz, Steven; Graeme Bunton<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg]
Revised Reveal Doc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Steve and I talked on Friday, and
he asked me to circulate a Revised Reveal document --
which is attached. This document has three types of
changes based on our discussion last Tuesday and
subsequent research:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">1. To the title (reset pending
further discussion) 2. To Section II, the Request
Templates to clarify the requester and his/her direct
knowledge of the alleged infringement and legal
authority to represent the Requester, and 3. Annex
(reset to original pending discussion with drafters over
the narrow goals and intents of this section)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">All other edits remain - to
continue our excellent discussion of high standards for
disclosure, human rights issues, etc. There is also much
to discuss regarding follow-up processes (after the
Request) including<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">a) when are appeals allowed and
for whom, and b) how does a Provider challenge an
alleged "wrongful disclosure" of its Customer's
information?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Best and have a good rest of
weekend,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
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