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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">14 April <span style="color:black">
2015 at 14:00 UTC at: </span><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-14apr15-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-14apr15-en.mp3</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On page</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">: </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#</a><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr">apr</a><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/">http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</a><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u>Attendees:</u> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Frank Michlick – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Justin Macy - BC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Val Sherman – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Griffin Barnett – IPC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Kathy Kleiman – NCSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Darcy Southwell – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Steve Metalitz - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Graeme Bunton – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Jim Bikoff - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Volker Greimann – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Alex Deacon –IPC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Stephanie Perrin – NCSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Phil Corwin – BC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Chris Pelling – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">David Hughes – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Terri Stumme
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Holly Raiche – ALAC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Vicky Sheckler – IPC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Susan Kawaguchi - BC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:#FFFEFE">Michele Neylon – RrSG</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:#FEFDFD">Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Ro<span style="background:#FDFCFC">ger Carney – RrSG</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">James Bladel – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Paul McGrady – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Sarah Wyld – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Carlton Samuels
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Don Blumenthal – RySG <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 14 April 2015<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:afternoon all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, sorry I'm late<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Is Kathy just on audio and not Adobe?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Just in - Hi All!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:Hi Kathy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Thanks Graeme<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Vicky Sheckler:sorry i'm late<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Thanks, James - we will be sure to highlight both agreeements and differences as best we can, esp in the Exec Summary of the report<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Frank Michlick:Sorry for joining late.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Could the relevant documents be put up please<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Bladel:Trusted sender should be an option/best practice. Not obligatoin. But would make life easier for high-volume providers or reporters<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Vicky Sheckler:agree w/ steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Holly, apologies for missing your comment - were you referring to the Annex that Steve is discussing? That should be on your AC screen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Nothing is on my screen!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kiran Malancharuvil:@Holly - I see the Annex. You may want to log out and back in?
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ Krian - thanks - I can see the chat column and the column on the right - just nothing in the middle! will try again<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:@Holly, did logging back in help?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Volker Greimann:Michele is right... I do that _all_ _the_ time!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:yes you do<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:bloody German :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Bladel::)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:Kathy - isn't that sort of inferred?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:don't you worry Michele, once the accreditation will be in place Volker will have to pinky swear he won't do it again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Maybe but everything in brackets, I think, is in a "maybe"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, we can call that (and other square bracketed language elsewhere) out specifically as needing community feedback - since that's the "device" we are using
to indicate places where the WG has not yet reached consensus?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> val sherman:+1 kiran<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Vicky Sheckler:given the discussion, it seems there are pblms with requiring a specific jdx<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:hum that's basic international law. You can serve us a foreign court order all you want, if it hasn't follow the exequatur process we won't act on it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:+1 Volker - and under the Providers' laws<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Vicky Sheckler:agree w/ Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree. Overspecification is a problem. Appreciate the clarification from Volker.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:people will hopefuly raise issues via the comments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:ie. the comment period<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Bladel:Need to drop the call a bit early. Looking forward to the publication of the Initial Report. Important Milestone for this group!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:and removal of the word "only<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:"only"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, wouldn't removing the "intent to deceive" language be preferable? So the standard remains "knowingly false representations"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Tx for the good discussion of the Annex, Steve!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@Mary: I think so. Also puzzling over the word "only" when that edit is made...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Vicky Sheckler:think we should leave "only" b/c I think the reps cover the issues kathy mentioned. But I need to confirm this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:Morning all. Had a whale of a time coming getting on<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Morning Carlton<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Vicky Sheckler:(i.e. leave in the document)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Hi Carlton!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, @Vicky, our read of it (not being the drafters) is that retaining "only" while striking out "intent to deceive" would make it clear that there is a single
standard for the process, ie a false rep was made knowingly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:I'd be happy with privacy service as well<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Vicky Sheckler:agree w/ val<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:I think we put the whole paragraph out for public comment - with a paragraph to ICANN Community sharing the questions we have and the input we are seeking<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> val sherman:how is it easier for the provider to balance and figure out which purpose is main?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:exactly - that's why I'd prefer "privacy service" instead of "privacy" by itself<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Vicky Sheckler:agree w/ steve metalitz that usigng privacy swallos the rule
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Right!
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:but you can't expect us to put our clients in danger ..
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Alex Deacon:we can't have vague language here and work hard to ensure we don't create a loophole where, to borrow Steve's wording, the exception swallows the rule.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:I know we've had requests for reveal where if we had our client would have ened up dead<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michele Neylon:the request => other motivation eg. doing them harm<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:Why would we care aabout the motivation? We have concealed personal data by design and effected by contract. All we need do is to demand you do not break
the contract without well-founded cause. And we're giving guidance as to possible reasons for breaking contract; slam dunk cases or when in doubt, seek advice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:AGre - maybe word in the revere - the reason mainly NOT in relation to the trademark/IP issue as being claimed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:I think we all agree with Volker -- but how to reflect in the language?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@Kathy - agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:What if we remove the words [solely] and [mainly]?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Alex Deacon:"for the avoidance of doubt..."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Vicky Sheckler:need to be careful that we don't fall into last week's issues about unncessarily expanding this beyond the narrow pretext purpose of this paragraph<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> val sherman:true, Vicky<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:It's the same language in all three places now, Steve.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:where did the automation language go?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Kathy it is still at the bottom of the document; we haven't changed it pending final discussion (per notes on the right from last week)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@Mary: tx!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> val sherman:Kathy's latest language captures that possibility.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kiran Malancharuvil:I would like to continue the discussion on attestation on the list, but I don't think we have time today<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:We will remove the "human review" phrase unless there are objections/suggestions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Good call!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Tx Steve!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kiran Malancharuvil:Alternatively, int he spirit of getting it out, I'm okay with what it states and minority views repped<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kiran Malancharuvil:thanks Steve!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kiran Malancharuvil::)
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> val sherman:thanks all!
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:Thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@Mary: can you put it in italics first?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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