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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks Kathy. On III(C)(2) and (3): I don’t think we ever had agreement on the language. “Adequate” was still bracketed precisely b/c we hadn’t agreed on that standard (I think the initial language was “compelling”,
and I think it had changed a couple times in between). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In the spirit of trying to address some of our loose ends and leave as little language bracketed as possible, I think Val’s proposal for III(C)(2) and (3) does a good job of finding a “third way” between the
“compelling” camp and the “adequate” camp. Rather than pick b/w those two standards, it just says: let’s use the mirror of what the Requestor has to allege under II(A)(6)(a), II(B)(7)(A), and II(C)(6)(A). As a way of bridging the current gap that we’ve got,
that seems reasonable to me: if the language is good for the Requestor, why wouldn’t it be good going the other way? Or, to put it another way: why would that language “seem a little ambiguous and hard to prove” going one way but not the other? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I agree with you that we don’t want a lot of additional work and discussion at this point. I guess where I disagree with you is on which of the two options that is on the table – 1) fighting it out b/w “compelling”
and “adequate” or 2) incorporating language that we’ve agreed to elsewhere – is more likely to lead to additional work and discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">TW.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 15, 2015 10:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI - suggestions for III.B, C, and E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Val,<br>
Thank you for new language as we work to close the report for publication. May I ask a few questions?<br>
<br>
In III.B.2 - the change from [existing] (2) state to Requestor in writing or by electronic communication its reasons for refusing to disclose to
<br>
[new/proposed] (2) state to Requestor in writing or by electronic communication its the specific reasons for refusing to disclose --
<br>
<br>
seems to raise the bar on the response of the Provider to the Requestor -- and there may be many Requests! So let me as, what are you thinking of in terms of the "specific reasons" that a Provider might have to give? How extensive or detailed would you like
their answers to be? <br>
<br>
<br>
Re: III.C.2 and 3 I think the existing language is quite good -- with apologies, because I know the genuine good will in which the changes are offered, bringing in a Customer's "belief" and the Providers "belief" seems a little ambiguous and hard to prove.<br>
<br>
I look forward to looking at III.B.2 with you... but re: III.B.3, I think we had pretty good agreement on the existing language and these new proposals may result is a lot of additional work and discussion.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Kathy <span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4/14/2015 4:12 PM, Sherman, Valeriya wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">PPSAI Team:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Given that we are getting ready to publish the initial report, we’d like to propose the following, hopefully non-contentious suggestions to III.B, C, and E. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We look forward to your thoughts. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">B. …<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(1)<span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span>…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(2)<span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span>state to Requestor in writing or by electronic communication <s>its</s> <span style="color:red">
the specific </span>reasons for refusing to disclose.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(3)<span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span>…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">C. Disclosure can be reasonably refused, for reasons consistent with the general policy stated herein, including<s>, but not limited to</s> any of the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(1)<span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span>…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(2)<span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span>the Customer <s>has </s>object<span style="color:red">s</span><s>ed</s> to the disclosure and
<s>has </s>provide<span style="color:red">s</span><s>d</s> [<s>adequate </s><span style="color:red">sufficient</span>]
<s>reasons against disclosure, including without limitation a reasonable defense for its use of the trademark or copyrighted content in question
</s><span style="color:red">for believing (i) that it is not infringing the Requestor’s claimed intellectual property rights, and/or (ii) that its use of the claimed intellectual property is defensible;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.75in"><span style="color:blue">(Note: This language tracks the Requestor’s standards warranting disclosure, and is the opposite side of the same coin.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(3)<span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span>the Provider <s>has found </s>provides [<s>adequate </s><span style="color:red">sufficient</span>] reasons
<s>against disclosure </s><span style="color:red">for believing (i) that the Customer is not infringing the Requestor’s claimed intellectual property rights, and/or (ii) that the Customer’s use of the claimed intellectual property is defensible;
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="color:blue">E.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><s>If refusal to disclose is based on objection to disclosure by the Customer, Requestor be informed of the reasons for objection.</s>
<span style="color:blue">(Could be consolidated with III B (2)).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="527bc2f4-aa30-4c8a-b165-73b2d039bbdb"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-variant:small-caps;color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.sgrlaw.com/attorneys/profiles/sherman-valeriya/" title=""><span style="color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none">Valeriya Sherman</span></a> |</span></b><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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<p class="527bc2f4-aa30-4c8a-b165-73b2d039bbdb"><em><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ms. Sherman's practice is limited to matters before federal courts and before the United States Patent and Trademark Office.</span></em><i><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><br>
<em><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">She is not admitted in the District of Columbia.</span></em></span></i><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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