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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">All,<br>
I think there are a lot of major language shifts taking place a)
after our calls and b) in hopes of bringing final language into
the Report that is being finalized today. Unfortunately, I think
Val's language for III.C.2 and especially III.C.3 has enormous
consequences and cast a major change to language that has remained
essentially unchanged in our many weeks of discussion. The
original language was essentially brought to the WG, accepted by
the WG and ready to be put out for comment by the WG -- with
brackets (as in so many other parts of the report) -- but all the
time with the language of the committee that drafted it. <br>
<br>
Now we are being asked to review such changes a) under a fast
deadline and b) with no in-person comment. I have to object - and
call for the original language to stay. If we want to meet next
week to talk about these new proposed changes, let's do that. But
we have no precedent of accepting major changes without exploring
them in person and on the calls -- as we have explored every other
significant change.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Kathy<br>
:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks Kathy.
On III(C)(2) and (3): I don’t think we ever had agreement on
the language. “Adequate” was still bracketed precisely b/c
we hadn’t agreed on that standard (I think the initial
language was “compelling”, and I think it had changed a
couple times in between). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In the spirit
of trying to address some of our loose ends and leave as
little language bracketed as possible, I think Val’s
proposal for III(C)(2) and (3) does a good job of finding a
“third way” between the “compelling” camp and the “adequate”
camp. Rather than pick b/w those two standards, it just
says: let’s use the mirror of what the Requestor has to
allege under II(A)(6)(a), II(B)(7)(A), and II(C)(6)(A). As
a way of bridging the current gap that we’ve got, that seems
reasonable to me: if the language is good for the Requestor,
why wouldn’t it be good going the other way? Or, to put it
another way: why would that language “seem a little
ambiguous and hard to prove” going one way but not the
other? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I agree with
you that we don’t want a lot of additional work and
discussion at this point. I guess where I disagree with you
is on which of the two options that is on the table – 1)
fighting it out b/w “compelling” and “adequate” or 2)
incorporating language that we’ve agreed to elsewhere – is
more likely to lead to additional work and discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">TW.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 15, 2015 10:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI -
suggestions for III.B, C, and E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Val,<br>
Thank you for new language as we work to close the report for
publication. May I ask a few questions?<br>
<br>
In III.B.2 - the change from [existing] (2) state to
Requestor in writing or by electronic communication its
reasons for refusing to disclose to
<br>
[new/proposed] (2) state to Requestor in writing or by
electronic communication its the specific reasons for refusing
to disclose --
<br>
<br>
seems to raise the bar on the response of the Provider to the
Requestor -- and there may be many Requests! So let me as,
what are you thinking of in terms of the "specific reasons"
that a Provider might have to give? How extensive or detailed
would you like their answers to be? <br>
<br>
<br>
Re: III.C.2 and 3 I think the existing language is quite good
-- with apologies, because I know the genuine good will in
which the changes are offered, bringing in a Customer's
"belief" and the Providers "belief" seems a little ambiguous
and hard to prove.<br>
<br>
I look forward to looking at III.B.2 with you... but re:
III.B.3, I think we had pretty good agreement on the existing
language and these new proposals may result is a lot of
additional work and discussion.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Kathy <span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<h3 style="mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4/14/2015 4:12 PM, Sherman, Valeriya
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">PPSAI Team:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Given that we are getting ready to
publish the initial report, we’d like to propose the
following, hopefully non-contentious suggestions to III.B,
C, and E. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We look forward to your thoughts. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">B. …<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(1)<span
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</span>…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(2)<span
style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span>state to Requestor in writing or by electronic
communication <s>its</s> <span style="color:red">
the specific </span>reasons for refusing to disclose.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(3)<span
style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span>…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">C. Disclosure can be
reasonably refused, for reasons consistent with the general
policy stated herein, including<s>, but not limited to</s>
any of the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(1)<span
style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span>…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(2)<span
style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span>the Customer <s>has </s>object<span
style="color:red">s</span><s>ed</s> to the disclosure and
<s>has </s>provide<span style="color:red">s</span><s>d</s>
[<s>adequate </s><span style="color:red">sufficient</span>]
<s>reasons against disclosure, including without limitation
a reasonable defense for its use of the trademark or
copyrighted content in question
</s><span style="color:red">for believing (i) that it is not
infringing the Requestor’s claimed intellectual property
rights, and/or (ii) that its use of the claimed
intellectual property is defensible;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.75in"><span
style="color:blue">(Note: This language tracks the
Requestor’s standards warranting disclosure, and is the
opposite side of the same coin.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(3)<span
style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span>the Provider <s>has found </s>provides [<s>adequate
</s><span style="color:red">sufficient</span>] reasons
<s>against disclosure </s><span style="color:red">for
believing (i) that the Customer is not infringing the
Requestor’s claimed intellectual property rights, and/or
(ii) that the Customer’s use of the claimed intellectual
property is defensible;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(4)<span
style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span>…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in">(5)<span
style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span>…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in">…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="color:blue">E.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><s>If refusal to disclose is based on objection to
disclosure by the Customer, Requestor be informed of the
reasons for objection.</s>
<span style="color:blue">(Could be consolidated with III B
(2)).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ms.
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