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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tuesday
21 April 2015 <span style="color:black">at 14:00 UTC at: </span></span><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-21apr15-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-21apr15-en.mp3</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On page</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">: </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#</span></a><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">apr</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u>Attendees:</u> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Frank Michlick – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Val Sherman – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Griffin Barnett – IPC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Kathy Kleiman – NCSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Darcy Southwell – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Steve Metalitz - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Graeme Bunton – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Jim Bikoff - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Alex Deacon –IPC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Stephanie Perrin – NCSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Phil Corwin – BC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">David Hughes – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Terri Stumme
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;background:white">–</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white"> BC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Holly Raiche – ALAC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Susan Kawaguchi – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Chris Pelling – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:#FEFDFD">Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Ro<span style="background:#FDFCFC">ger Carney – RrSG</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">James Bladel – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Sarah Wyld – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Carlton Samuels
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Todd Williams – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">James Gannon – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:white">David Heasley – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Paul McGrady – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Vicky Sheckler – IPC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">David Cake – NCSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Don Blumenthal – RySG <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 21 April 2015<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Loud and clear, Graeme!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong::)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:Gettin more tea, brb<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:Getting more Red Bull brb.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:Morning/Afteroon/Evening<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> val sherman:Hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> val sherman:David Heasley also on audio bridge<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Graeme Bunton:Thanks Val<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Lindsay Hamilton-Reid also sends apologies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Philip Corwin has joined audio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Welcome Carlton Samuels<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:Morning everybody<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:How long will the public have to submit comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:tx!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:David Hughes has joined audio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:I'll dial in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:I'm in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Graeme - original changes here posted by Val.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:May be good to start with Val?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Welcome Luc Seufer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:Thank you Terri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:+1 James<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:I would support that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:+1 James. There is so much going on, and our work is important<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:+ 1 for James<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:23:59 UTC is the magic number right =)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:Dparting for Buenos Aires on teh 12th of June. If you can believe that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Welcome Chris Pelling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:apologies fir tardiness<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:The other question is whether we will have reached consensus on the major issues within the next few days<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:If Staff feels they will have comments ready for review by BA, then I'm good with that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@James, that will depend in large part on when the comments come in :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:Mary: Assume 75% will come in the last 48 hours. As STeve noted, it is part of the ICANN culture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:No comment :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:Mayabe even use the BA meeting to discuss the report within and among the constituencies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:We provide the GAC with monthly updates on our PDPs - so they will know when we release the Report.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:did my audio drop?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:No sound<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:Ahha scared me there<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:Aaaah<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:Yes and many of us will be v busy with CWG and CCWG in BA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:@Kathy on commnet disabilities being designed +1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Note that the period immediately post-Bs As won't necessarily be less busy, as the CWG/CCWG/ICG will still have work items for comment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:There is also no longer a reply period in the new 40-day public comment period.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@Mary: right, but many public comment periods are now longer than 30/40 days<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:That was my point, if you miss this comment period, you have missed the boat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:The At-Large is challenged to mobilise the edge even with less complex matters<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:All he more reason to be sure that all the issues have reached consensus first -<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:So are the NCSG Carlton!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> val sherman:Yes -- here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ Carlton - +1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Steph, everyone - hence my note to not expect that post-Bs As will be less busy, so extending the public comment period may or may not help with the time crunch
issue :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong::( I mean<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:The issue is that the only reason mentioned is IP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:I have to go. But let the record show for the proposed C.2 and C.3 is an IP lawyers dream. But this is not about IP alone. It actually narrows the scope
for disclosure which is not a good thing. I would leave those alone. let it remain "the Customer has objected to the disclosure and has provided [adequate reasons against disclosure, including without limitation a reasonable defense for its use of the trademark
or copyrighted content in questio"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> val sherman:thank you:)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:Thanks Val gives a good basis on the driver for the language<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:And this "3) [the Provider has found adequate reasons against disclosure]". No change required<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Paul McGrady has joined audio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Carlton Samuels:I have to go. Must make a living.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:13 April language: " the Customer has objected to the disclosure and has provided [adequate] reasons against disclosure, including without limitation a reasonable
defense for its use of the trademark or copyrighted content in question"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:goodbye Carlton<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:@Kathy can you provide a concrete example of a reason that would be "adequate" but not embraced within Val's language?
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Paul McGrady:Sorry to join late<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Original language: "that the Customer has objected to the disclosure and has provided compelling reasons against disclosure"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:If we start adding this level of specificity do we have to go back and look at the rest of the document and add specificity to other setions,
this seems like a lot to do at this stage and would probably require extention of timelines<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@James, it was always open to everyone to suggest modifications to any open section.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:Agree with Bladel.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:I agree whole heeartidly with JamesB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chris Pelling:Registrars are not judge nor jury<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:and unfortunately more common<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:I am not found of the "slam dunk" cases but there is the blatant infringement concept in both French and Lux. laws which we could use<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Welcome Tatiana Khramtsova<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Alex Deacon:The issue boils down to the word "adequate" - its just to vague.
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:oops<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:no i ssed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:nope connection probs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:=)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:@James , let me know if you need a dial out<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:Adobe is really letting us down today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:+1 Kathy, trying to make this bullet proof for bad faith actors is the real problem we are wordsmithing over...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:Ah Ill pop it in the chat =) Ok on a philospphical level I support Kathy's points. And on a practcal level I spport the other James. We need to
avoid wordsmithing here even when its from a position of good faith. There is a world outside of IP (And I'm very much a supporter of IP rights by the way) that we need to be able to respect. We cant put the providers into a positoin of having to have a team
of lawyers working on these requests as may be the case in larger providers that may be dealing with large volumes of requests. I think that we need to be as paractical as possible here, lets go back to the original language that was largely agreed on and
had broad support.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:An earlier version had "adequate" versus "sufficient" (after "compelling")<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:We did use the word compeelling - as a more polite phrase than slam dunk<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:Thanks Graeme.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Alex Deacon:@kathy - would you example not be covered by vals (ii) ? i.e. defensible?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:=)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ James +1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> val sherman:James -- isn't that covered by i -- not infringing?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@Alex, defensible? Maybe the child did paint Mickey Mouse and maybe it was posted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:So theanswer to my question - better without examples<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Welcome Vicky Sheckler<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@Alex, there are different rights on both sides - some for IP owners and other sources of protection for Customers/Registrants; we have to allow both<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:@James What is the difference between "we don't see infringement" v. We have a reasonable basis to believe there is no infringement?
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:Steve: I don't want to put people on the record as offering a legal opinion whether or not infringement exists. More that we do not see it, even if it may actually
exist.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:How about, instead of "Provider has a reasonable basis for believing" we say "Provider believes there is a reasonable basis"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> vicky sheckler:have to jump again. sorry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@Mary: how do corporations "believe" -- sorry, but a drafting issue...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, just trying to offer a bit more flexibility, to tie in with a Provider's (subjective) judgment rather than make it seem as though a Provider needs to
provide a legal basis.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ Kathy - we did like the word compelling rather than ideas of reasonable belief (however phrased)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:@Kathy, bracketed language shows differing views, not which came first<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bladel:i don't even remember the original language at this point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Kathy I don't think we've ever done that, even for other places in the report (not just this document) where there has been differences among the WG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> val sherman:From my perspective, there was no consensus on this point -- it just wasn't yet addressed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:@James B, the original language was"compelling reasons to refuse disclosure"
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@Holly and Mary: I see your point on adding words like "adequate," "compelling," "sufficient"
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Darcy Southwell:I agree with Kathy, Blade, Gannon, and Stephanie. For providers, the front-line personnel who handle these reveal requests are not lawyers and are not
in a position to make legal judgments about infringement or non-infringement. I would support going back to using the word “compelling reasons to refuse disclosure” in the original language of III(C)(2).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Holly Raiche:@ Darcy - absolutely agree<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Sorry - very old and vestigial<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:The fuller context for these open questions can be found between pp. 50-53 of the 29 Jan 2015 version of the draft Initial Report.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:This is confusing - it might be good to slave the page to the screen now..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Alex Deacon 2:agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:tx!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:pages 51-52 of the text on screen
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Section 1.3.2 (pp 12-13) for the questions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:pp 51-52 for the actual context/fuller discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:I agree to agree<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> steve metalitz:Middle of page 54, third bullet -- escalation of relay requests
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:And current draft language on escalation - page 13 of draft report<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:I'm happy to send it to comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Darcy Southwell:I agree it should be published for comment as it is today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:I would hope that we could form a good base for further discussion based on the public comments (Which I would hope will be peentiful and constructuve
=) )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stephanie Perrin:Thanks Mary, it would help to point to these bibbits in the report, given the length of the report.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Frank Michlick:Thank you Graeme & everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@Mary and All: in III, how did the words "but not limited to" become deleted?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> James Gannon [GNSO/NCSG]:Thanks all good call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, do you mean the disclosure text?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Paul McGrady:Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Luc Seufer:merci<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Darcy Southwell:Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> val sherman:Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Osvaldo Novoa:Thank you and Bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@Mary, yes the Reveal text<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:That was in Val's suggested edits<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:Then let's please put in back in because there is not agreement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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