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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Steve, <br>
I agree and thanks. But the longstanding language that we have
been working on for weeks is now bracketed and optional -- it
would be good to unbracket it and make clear what is the original
language (below) and what is the new language. <br>
Tx! Kathy<br>
<br>
Original, longstanding language of III.C... <br>
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I believe c 2 and 3 are already on today's agenda for discussion.<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From: </b>Kathy Kleiman [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, April 21, 2015 05:59 AM Pacific Standard
Time<br>
<b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>; Metalitz, Steven; Graeme
Bunton<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda, documents and
suggestions for WG call on Tuesday 21 April 2015<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear All,<br>
Some new language was introduced after the meeting last week.
Despite objections from me, James Gannon and James Bladel, and a
promise from Steve that it would be discussed this week for
consideration, it has been included -- and longstanding language
that we have agreed to for weeks (months?) has become bracketed
and "optional." I don't think that is the right way to handle
this process so late in the day. I strongly request that we
return to the original language (included below from Mary's 4/13
circulated just before the last meeting) and if people want to
change III.C.2 and 3 (completely rewrite, really), they should
argue why.<br>
<br>
From Mary's Reveal text circulated 4/13 just before our
last meeting (with note that my objection is solely to the
sudden complete change of III.C.2 and 3 (and not to the evolving
dialogue and wording of III.C.5):<br>
<br>
<h2 style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1
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<!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New
Roman";color:#010000"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">[III]
C.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]-->
Disclosure can be reasonably refused, for reasons consistent
with the general policy stated herein, including, but not
limited to any of the following:</h2>
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<!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span
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the Service Provider has already published Customer contact
details in Whois as the result of termination of privacy and
proxy service;</h3>
<h3 style="margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1
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<!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span
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the Customer has objected to the disclosure and has provided
[adequate] reasons against disclosure, including without
limitation a reasonable defense for its use of the trademark
or copyrighted content in question;</h3>
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level3 lfo2; tab-stops:list 1.5in">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New
Roman";color:#010000"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">(3)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]-->
the Provider has found [adequate] reasons against disclosure,</h3>
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<!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New
Roman";color:#010000"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">(4)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]-->
the Customer has surrendered its domain name registration in
lieu of disclosure, if the Service Provider offers its
Customers this option.</h3>
<h3 style="margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1
level3 lfo2; tab-stops:list 1.5in">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New
Roman";color:#010000"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">(5)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]-->
<span style="color:#18376A">that the Customer has provided, or
the Provider has found, specific
<s>evidence demonstrating that the Requestor’s trademark or
copyright request is a pretext for obtaining the
Customer’s contact details for the purpose of contravening
the Customer’s human rights</s></span>
<span style="color:#FB0007">[facts and circumstances]
[information, facts and/or circumstances] showing</span>
<span style="color:#18376A">that the Requestor’s trademark or
copyright complaint is a pretextual means of obtaining the
Customer’s contact details [</span><span
style="color:#FB0007">solely] [mainly]</span>
<span style="color:#18376A">for the purpose of contravening
the Customer’s [human rights</span>
<span style="color:#FB0007">(e.g., freedom of expression)]
[privacy rights].</span></h3>
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<![endif]-->Best,<br>
Kathy<br>
<br>
:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:D15AB610.13845%25mary.wong@icann.org"
type="cite">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
Dear WG members,</div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
<br>
</div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
The proposed agenda for our next meeting on Tuesday 21 April
is as follows; please also note the additional
information/suggestions that follow.</div>
<ol style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
<li>Roll call/updates to SOI </li>
<li>Finalize text yet to be agreed upon in draft Disclosure
Framework intended for public comment – Section III.C(2)
& (3) (see attached)
</li>
<li>Discuss remaining questions outstanding from draft Initial
Report – see below
</li>
<li>Next steps/next meeting – including circulation of final
draft Initial Report, submission of additional statements
(if any) and publication date for public comment
</li>
</ol>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
The attached draft Disclosure Framework is essentially that
which was circulated as the proposed final draft on 16 April,
with two changes: (1) the updated and agreed language on
providing evidence of authorization (as noted by Kiran as not
having made it to the 16 April document); and (2) for clarity,
the retention of “square brackets” only with reference to
language that still reflects two or more options (since the
entire document will be open for public comment in any case). </div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">For
agenda item #3, our vice-chairs have reviewed the open
questions from the last-circulated version of the draft
Initial Report (dated 29 January 2015), also attached. In
order to facilitate a constructive discussion at the meeting,
Graeme and Steve would like to offer the suggested answers
below for discussion/agreement/other comments. Graeme and
Steve’s suggestions are highlighted in
<b><font color="#0000FF">blue</font></b>, with references to
the context for these remaining questions (as page numbers
from the draft Report) following in bold and underlined. The
actual phrasing of each question can be found in
<u><b>Section 1.3.2 of the Executive Summary</b></u> of the
draft Report as well.</div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><br>
</div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><br>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
'Times New Roman', serif; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
line-height: 24px;">
<u><span style="line-height: 22px; font-family: Calibri;"
lang="EN-GB">Open Questions On Contactability and
Responsiveness of Accredited P/P Providers</span></u><span
style="line-height: 22px; font-family: Calibri;"
lang="EN-GB">:</span></p>
<ul style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 0in;" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 24px;">
<span style="line-height: 22px; font-family: Calibri;"
lang="EN-GB">The standard for maintaining a P/P
provider’s designated point of contact: -
<b><font color="#0000FF">the person or team must be
“capable and authorized”</font></b> (per the
Transfer Emergency Action Contact (TEAC) under the <a
style="color: purple;"
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/policy-2012-03-07-en"
moz-do-not-send="true">IRTP</a>) (see <u><b>pages
50-51</b></u> of the draft Initial Report)</span> </li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri;
line-height: 22px;" lang="EN-GB">The level of
responsiveness required of a P/P provider once an abuse
report is made to the designated point of contact –</span>
<b><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family:
Calibri; line-height: 22px;" lang="EN-GB">while the
requirement under Section 3.18.1 of the <a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en"
moz-do-not-send="true">2013 RAA</a> (</span><span
style="line-height: 22px;"><font color="#0000FF">“taking
reasonable and prompt steps to investigate and
respond”) had been suggested previously, this is no
longer needed as it has been superseded by the WG’s
specific recommendations on Relay and Disclosure</font> (<u>pages
51-52</u>) </span></b> </li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 24px;">
<span style="line-height: 22px; font-family: Calibri;"
lang="EN-GB">To ensure provider contactability –
<b><font color="#0000FF">P/P providers should be
required to publish contact information on their
website, modelled after Section 2.3 of the interim <a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en#privacy-proxy"
moz-do-not-send="true">Specification on Privacy
and Proxy Registrations</a> in the 2013 RAA</font>
(<u>pages 51-52</u>)</b></span>
</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
'Times New Roman', serif; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
line-height: 24px;">
<u><span style="line-height: 22px; font-family: Calibri;"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
'Times New Roman', serif; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
line-height: 24px;">
<u><span style="line-height: 22px; font-family: Calibri;"
lang="EN-GB">On Escalation of Relay Requests</span></u><span
style="line-height: 22px; font-family: Calibri;"
lang="EN-GB">:</span></p>
<ul style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li><span lang="EN-GB"><span style="line-height: 22px;">On
minimum mandatory requirements for escalation of relay
requests in the event of persistent delivery failure
of electronic communications </span><span
style="line-height: 22px;">–</span><span
style="line-height: 22px;"> retain current language in
draft Initial Report (including bracketed options) for
public comment.</span></span>
</li>
</ul>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px; border:none;
padding:0px;">
<div><span style="line-height: 22px;">The current draft
language reads as follows:</span></div>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px; border:none;
padding:0px;">
<div><span style="line-height: 22px;"><i>"While the WG
reached preliminary agreement on a provider’s
obligation to act in the event it becomes aware of a
persistent delivery failure, the WG has yet to agree
on obligatory next steps for a provider regarding
escalation by a requestor. The following is the
current language under consideration by the WG, with
the options included in square brackets:</i></span></div>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px; border:none;
padding:0px;">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;"><i><span
lang="EN-GB"><span style="line-height: 22px;">“As part
of an escalation process, and when the
above-mentioned requirements concerning a persistent
delivery failure of an electronic communication have
been met, the provider [should] [must] upon request
forward a further form of notice to its customer. A
provider should have the discretion to select the
most appropriate means of forwarding such a request
[and to charge a reasonable fee on a cost-recovery
basis]. [Any such reasonable fee is to be borne by
the customer and not the requestor]. A provider
shall have the right to impose reasonable limits on
the number of such requests made by the same
requestor.”” </span></span></i><b
style="line-height: 22px;">(<u>pages 53-54</u>)</b></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Finally, there was also a general question concerning the
adequacy of the WG’s recommendations as to what a P/P provider
must include and publish in its Terms of Service, especially
in regard to when a customer’s contact details will be
Published due to the customer’s breach of one or more of the
Terms of Service. While this is not a Charter-based question,
WG members are encouraged – when they come to review the final
draft Initial Report – to consider this question and provide
additional feedback if necessary.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks and cheers</div>
<div>Mary</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font
class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Mary
Wong</span></font></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font
class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Senior
Policy Director</span></font></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font
class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)</span></font></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font
class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Telephone:
+1 603 574 4892</span></font></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font
class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Email:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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