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Good suggestions, Steve. <br>
Thank you,<br>
Graeme<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-04-30 11:58 AM, Metalitz,
Steven wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Perhaps
a simpler way to accomplish this would be to insert the
following at the end of the first bullet:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“If
so, why, and if not, why not?”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
could then introduce the next two questions with “If so,”
and change “will” to “would” as Stephanie suggests.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephanie Perrin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>; Mary Wong<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI Comment
Period and Section 1.3.3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks Mary,
very helpful. Returning to the original text, I offer the
following suggestions:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">For those that argued that it is necessary and
practical to limit access to P/P services to exclude
commercial entities, the following text was proposed to
clarify and define their position: “domains used for online
financial transactions for commercial purpose should be
ineligible for privacy and proxy registrations.”<br>
<br>
Public comment is therefore specifically invited on the
following questions: </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1">
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Should registrants of domain names associated
with commercial activities and which are used for online
financial transactions be prohibited from using, or
continuing to use, privacy and proxy services? </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1">
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">If [so, will]
<b>you agree with this position, do you think it would</b>
be useful to adopt a definition of “commercial” or
“transactional” to define those domains for which P/P
service registrations should be disallowed? And if so,
what should the definition(s) be?”</span><span
lang="EN-GB">
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1">
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">{Will}
<b>Would </b>it be necessary to make a distinction in the
WHOIS data fields to be displayed as a result? (this
question is not clear, in my view, it needs more detail on
the nature of the distinction, the data fields we are
talking about, and to what does "as a result" refer? As a
result of the decision to deny privacy proxy services???)</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">The use of the word "will" here appears to
imply agreement with the text, you need the conditional. Then
you need to seek clarification on the other side:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2">
If you disagree with the proposal to deny the use of privacy
and proxy services to domain names associated with
commercial activities and which are used for online
financial transactions, what are the reasons for your
rejection of this proposal?<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
Kind regards as always, <br>
Stephanie Perrin<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 2015-04-30 22:54, Mary Wong wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">To add to Stephanie’s note that
this specific issue - whether registrants of domain
names actively used for commercial transactions ought
to be disallowed from using P/P services - had been
discussed at some length by the WG:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please note that this part of the
Initial Report draws heavily on the detailed WG
template for Charter Category C that was the basis for
the WG’s deliberations on this topic. That template
contains lengthy descriptions of what had previously
been termed the majority and minority positions on the
WG’s answer to this specific issue. As part of the
WG’s deliberations – which took place primarily
between April and June 2014 - the more specific
formulation of “transactional” to describe the sort of
commercial (i.e. Involving financial transactions)
activities that were being discussed was included in
the language. All the templates and suggested
formulations discussed by the WG are recorded and
published on the WG wiki.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The WG ultimately agreed to retain
the two positions in the Initial Report and to revisit
the question during its review of the public comments
received. As noted previously, the WG's views were
presented to the community in London in June 2014 and
again in Los Angeles in October 2014.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, the three questions in
Section 1.3.3 of the Executive Summary
<u>only</u> go toward soliciting community input on
this single issue. They were not intended to represent
a view of any “side” in the WG with regard to this
matter. If the WG prefers, we can add a sentence to
clarify and specify the reason for the questions in
Section 1.3.3. Fundamentally, the idea is that public
comments will facilitate the WG’s eventual resolution
of this issue as part of its preparation of the Final
Report. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We hope this reminder of the
background is of assistance.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mary<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Mary
Wong</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Senior
Policy Director</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers
(ICANN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Telephone:
+1 603 574 4892</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Email:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">
mary.wong@icann.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Stephanie
Perrin <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 09:20<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>,
James Gannon <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>>,
Michele Blacknight <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI Comment
Period and Section 1.3.3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF
4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in"
id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE">
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">James, prior to you joining the
group, we had discussed this at some length. IN fact,
I really thought that the many reasons why sorting out
the purpose of a registration is problematic had
buried this debate, but apparently not. Some of the
issues raised, according to my recollection were the
following:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3">
names are registered prior to decisions about
content <o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3">
content changes over time <o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3">
most countries regulate e-commerce in some fashion,
so that website commercial activity does not have to
be regulated by ICANN
<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3">
ICANN should not be in the business of regulating
content in the first place (and sorting out who is
extracting a material consideration from a website
in order to deny them the ability to use a proxy
registration is certainly a form of regulation)
<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3">
definitions of commercial activity vary widely
around the world<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3">
bad actors will not declare, registrars cannot
police this matter <o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3">
criminal prosecution is not dependent on WHOIS
information <o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3">
if this is really about the ability to detect market
information, ICANN should not be in the business of
making registrant information available for market
purposes, it does it for security and stability.
<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3">
contactability remains, regardless of which
registrant info appears in WHOIS <o:p>
</o:p></li>
</ul>
<p>I am planning to reformulate these into questions to
match the questions on the other side, suggestions
welcome.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Stephanie Perrin<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 2015-04-30 16:24, James Gannon
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
don’t see this as asking providers to enforce
anything similar to other questions when
registering a domain, it’s a self-reported
assessment. All it does is add an additional
branch to the decision tree for eligibility, which
will already be there to determine eligibility due
to the other reasons listed below.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
registrant is asked will you be processing
financial transactions.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;color:#1F497D">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Yes</span><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">à</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Will
you be using a 3<sup>rd</sup> party>No>Not
eligible for P/P. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;color:#1F497D">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Yes</span><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">à</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Will
you be using a 3<sup>rd</sup>
party>Yes>Eligible for P/P.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
not asking registrars to enforce law but to see if
a more finely grained eligibility process can be
enacted. Or at least is there is public support
for more granularity.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-James</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
Michele Neylon - Blacknight [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">mailto:michele@blacknight.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 30, 2015 8:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Gannon; Graeme Bunton; PPSAI<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI
Comment Period and Section 1.3.3</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">James</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">As
a registrar or PP service provider how am I
meant to assess this?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It
doesn’t scale</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Seriously.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">If,
for example, there is an Irish operated
website that is not complying with Irish law
then it would be up to the ODCE (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/r/IqfLPS2xhmx-5GDCPCM4mLmlw-jOPQHGmhpzAjWDKActStEmX7ndjfqnEIgUMkdhXCAGe_aALVo69T0irIiCOftGW0RRkFeeJXP_SQ_bxxN5c9ZWrJzjnfSpDUeI4UjuT2dsrtgXox-JsiUyGsBvbDhSHcf2gH3gqSI2YwvUnORJuOhanPP2uCSQp3bey2BqQKbirhovyP6hDiunUi2Ilg">http://www.odce.ie/</a>) to
enforce whatever needs enforcing, as it would
be up to the DPA to enforce any issues around
data privacy etc., etc.,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Attempting
to force registrars and PP providers to make
these kind of evaluations is not going to
work.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Issues
like PCI-DSS compliance are matters that
should be dealt with by the DPA and the banks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Forcing
registrars and PP providers to start getting
involved in that kind of assessment isn’t
viable</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Mr
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:
</span>
</b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">James
Gannon<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday 30 April 2015 07:45<br>
<b>To: </b>Graeme Bunton, "<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI
Comment Period and Section 1.3.3</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
would personally like to see if there is
public traction for distinguishing between
sites directly processing financial
truncations and sites who use 3<sup>rd</sup>
parties for processing financial transactions
as this is a very important distinction. A
simple and I hope non-controversial additional
question to the ones below:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
so, should domains which use a third party to
process financial transactions (i.e Paypal,
Stripe), and thus do not directly process
financial information, be subject to the same
restrictions? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There
are strong existing distinctions both in
national laws and in regulations such as
PCI-DSS between these two forms.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-James
Gannon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="line-height:normal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"><a
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[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Graeme Bunton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:17
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> PPSAI<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI
Comment Period and Section 1.3.3</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
lang="EN-GB">Thanks to all WG members for a
very productive call earlier today(and to
Steve for his chairing acumen). The co-chairs
and staff met this afternoon to tie down two
loose ends from the call.<br>
<br>
Regarding the deadline for public comments on
the Initial Report, we recognize there is
considerable support for extending the public
comment period to 60 days instead of the
standard 40 days on which we have all been
planning. We are prepared to agree to this,
but with the caveat that this will have
repercussions on the pace and intensity of our
work once public comments have been received.
Specifically, if the public comment deadline
is extended until July 3 (60 days after our
publication date of May 4), we will need to
plan on at least weekly calls throughout July
and August, some of which may need to be more
than an hour in length, to review these
comments and move toward a Final Report.
Otherwise, we jeopardize the prospects for
getting the Final Report in front of the GNSO
council no later than the Dublin ICANN
meeting. As was noted on the call today, many
additional steps need to take place even after
this WG issues its Final Report before any new
accreditation system can be implemented, so
the time pressure imposed by the expiration of
the Interim Specification at the end of next
year is already real.
<br>
<br>
Also, as previously announced over the past
few weeks, if any WG members (or group of
members) wish to submit a brief separate or
additional statement for inclusion in the
package posted for public comment next Monday,
such statements need to be received by staff
no later than Thursday, April 30. <br>
<br>
Lastly, the other loose end involves proposed
revisions to section 1.3.3 of the Initial
Report, which were presented on the call
earlier today but which we did not have time
to discuss fully. We agree that this section
could benefit from some revision, but believe
it should take the form of greater concision,
not additional presentation of arguments for
the divergent positions. Thus we suggest that
section 1.3.3 be revised to read as follows:
<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Although the WG agreed that the
mere fact that a domain name is registered
by a commercial entity or by anyone
conducting commercial activity should not
preclude the use of P/P services , there was
disagreement over whether domain names that
are actively used for commercial
transactions (e.g. the sale or exchange of
goods or services) should be prohibited from
using P/P services. While most WG members
did not believe such a prohibition is
necessary or practical, some members
believed that registrants of such domain
names should not be able to use or continue
using proxy or privacy services.<br>
<br>
For those that argued that it is necessary
and practical to limit access to P/P
services to exclude commercial entities, the
following text was proposed to clarify and
define their position: “domains used for
online financial transactions for commercial
purpose should be ineligible for privacy and
proxy registrations.”<br>
<br>
Public comment is therefore specifically
invited on the following questions: </span>
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<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo4">
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Should registrants of domain
names associated with commercial
activities and which are used for online
financial transactions be prohibited from
using, or continuing to use, privacy and
proxy services? </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo4">
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">If so, will it be useful to
adopt a definition of “commercial” or
“transactional” to define those domains
for which P/P service registrations should
be disallowed? And if so, what should the
definition(s) be?”</span><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo4">
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Will it be necessary to make
a distinction in the WHOIS data fields to
be displayed as a result?</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
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style="font-family:"Times New Roman ,
serif","serif"">---<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Graeme Bunton & Steve Metalitz<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>_________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Graeme Bunton<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Manager, Management Information Systems<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Manager, Public Policy<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tucows Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>PH: 416 535 0123 ext 1634<o:p></o:p></pre>
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