<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Hi Kathy,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Thanks for this. No objection here. One clarification: Is &quot;mothers <i>and</i> seniors&quot; accurate, or should it be &quot;mothers <i>or</i> seniors&quot;? I think the way it is currently written, someone could interpret you to be talking about mothers who are also senior citizens, which can certainly be true in the literal sense, but I believe that your intent is to be broader and note that while some home-based business are (impliedly) merely run by men or young folk, that some home-based businesses are run by mothers, while others are run by seniors, irrespective of their gender. I just wonder if the disjunctive might be better than the conjunctive in this particular case?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Thanks!</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">John Horton<br>President and CEO, LegitScript</font><div><br><div><div><p style="margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;font:12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><b><font color="#444444">Follow</font><font color="#0b5394"> </font><font color="#000000">Legit</font><font color="#0b5394">Script</font></b>: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/legitscript-com" style="font-weight:normal" target="_blank"><font color="#cc0000">LinkedIn</font></a>  |  <a href="https://www.facebook.com/LegitScript" style="font-weight:normal" target="_blank"><font color="#6aa84f">Facebook</font></a>  |  <a href="https://twitter.com/legitscript" style="font-weight:normal" target="_blank"><font color="#674ea7">Twitter</font></a>  |  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/LegitScript" style="font-weight:normal" target="_blank"><font color="#bf9000">YouTube</font></a>  |  <font color="#ff9900"><u><a href="http://blog.legitscript.com" target="_blank">Blog</a></u></font>  |<font color="#ff9900">  <font style="font-weight:normal"><a href="https://plus.google.com/112436813474708014933/posts" target="_blank">Google+</a></font></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Kathy Kleiman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  

    
  
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    Dear Graeme, Steve, Mary and All,<br>
    Attached please find our supplemental statement for inclusion in the
    Interim Report. Mary, could you please use the attached Word version
    as it has the formatting and highlights we seek to show in the
    published version. <br>
    <br>
    I include a pasted version below for easy reading.<br>
    Best,<br>
    Kathy<br>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri">Statement of Kathy Kleiman, James
        Gannon and Stephanie
        Perrin, Members of the Noncommercial Stakeholders Group<u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri"><br>
        We respectfully submit that Section 1.3.3, 1.3.3, <b>Specific Topics on which
          there is currently
          no consensus within the WG</b>, of this PPSAI Executive
        Summary and Interim
        Report is incomplete.<span>  </span>There
        are a number
        of topics on which there is currently no consensus within the WG
        and which need
        considerable work. These are issues well known and deeply
        discussed. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri">For the purposes of clarity and to
        lend depth to
        the comments and discussion to come, we submit this statement of
        how we would
        like to see Section 1.3.3 written. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri">---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        <u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri">1.3.3, <b>Specific
          Topics on which there is currently no consensus within the WG</b> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri">1.3.3.1 REVEAL<u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri">The WG’s has not yet reached final
        preliminary
        conclusions on key details of its “Reveal” recommendations (See
        Annex E of the
        Interim Report). There are many details still under discussion
        and for which
        the WG has not reached consensus. These include: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri">-</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">         
      </span><span style="font-family:Calibri">What remedies should a
        Customer be
        allowed in the event that a Reveal Request was falsely made or
        the data was
        improperly used (current recommendations provide mechanism only
        for Provider
        action)? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri">-</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">         
      </span><span style="font-family:Calibri">Should Requestors be
        allowed to
        escalate each and every rejection of a Reveal Request to a 3<sup>rd</sup>
        party
        forum, or should the WG seek to adopt reasonable standards and
        thresholds for
        such appeals to avoid unnecessary and time-consuming appeals?<span>  </span>(Note: a Request for
        Reconsideration is
        already a part of the recommended process the WG has agreed to
        by consensus.)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri">-</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">         
      </span><span style="font-family:Calibri">What rights and
        protections should a
        Customer be allowed and encouraged to forth in her/his/its own
        defense to
        provide a reasonable defense for maintaining her/his/its
        privacy, even in the
        face of a copyright or trademark infringement allegation?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri">-</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">         
      </span><span style="font-family:Calibri">How can Customers be
        protected from extraterritorial
        requests from Law Enforcement from outside their country, when
        the use of their
        domain name is for legal purposes in their own country, but
        perhaps purposes
        deemed illegal in other countries [Note: even Interpol refuses
        to act across
        national lines in matters of political, military, religious and
        racial issues
        because of the enormous differences of law. Article 3, Interpol
        Constitution]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri"> Input and comments would be helpful
        on these
        issues. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri">1.3.3.2 THE COMPLEXITIES OF
        INTRUDING INTO NATIONAL
        LAW<u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri">Although the WG agreed that the mere
        fact that a
        domain name is registered by a commercial entity or by anyone
        conducting
        commercial activity should not preclude the use of P/P services<a href="#14d0c268aac32126__ftn1" name="14d0c268aac32126__ftnref1" title=""><span><span style="font-family:Calibri"><span><span><span>[1]</span></span></span></span></span></a><span><span style="font-family:Calibri">[1]</span></span>,
        there was disagreement over whether domain names that are
        actively used for
        commercial transactions (e.g. the sale or exchange of goods or
        services) should
        be prohibited from using P/P services. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri">While <b>most
          WG members </b>did not believe such a prohibition is
        necessary or practical,
        some members believed that registrants of such domain names
        should not be able
        to use or continue using proxy or privacy services. [1]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri">Other members of the
          WG noted that
          fundraising and membership drives are often performed by the
          very groups and
          organizations seeking privacy/proxy registration for
          protection, including
          minority political groups, minority religious organizations,
          ethnic groups,
          organizations committed to change of racial policies, gender
          orientation
          groups, and publications engaged in freedom of expression.
          These groups and
          their representatives note that, in the laws of their
          countries, the mere
          collection of a donation or membership fee does not change
          their status from “non-commercial”
          to commercial. Others noted that “non-profit” status is
          limited to only a few
          countries. <u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri">Further, many of
          organizations, small
          businesses, home-based businesses (including those run by
          mothers and seniors)
          conduct their financial transactions through 3<sup>rd</sup>
          party e-commerce
          companies, such as PayPal, and thus <i>are
            not processing the financial transactions directly</i>.
          Accordingly, many
          members in the WG submit there is no reason to breach the
          proxy/privacy of
          organizations and businesses purely and solely for this
          reason. <span> </span><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri">Many members many in
          the WG submit
          that content regulation is far beyond the scope of ICANN and
          properly the scope
          of national laws – some of which has taken initiatives in this
          area which are
          clearly defined and properly limited in scope and application
          (e.g., Germany).</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri"> <b><u></u><u></u></b></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri">For
        those that argued that it is necessary and practical to limit
        access to P/P
        services to exclude commercial entities, the following text was
        proposed to
        clarify and define their position: “domains used for online
        financial
        transactions for commercial purpose should be ineligible for
        privacy and proxy
        registrations.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri">This
        suggestion has been debated strongly by the members of the WG
        and has not
        reached consensus as others submitted that: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:Calibri">&quot;Attempting to distinguish the end
        purposes of
        a domain registration is not practicable for the purposes of
        determining
        eligibility for privacy/proxy services, and will unfairly
        discriminate against
        vulnerable groups, entrepreneurs, small businesses and
        organizations who wish
        to exercise their rights of freedom of expression rights on the
        Internet.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri">Input requested on the full issues,
        including
        questions below:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.75in"><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>       
          </span></span></span><span style="font-family:Calibri">Should
        registrants of domain names associated with commercial
        activities and which are
        used for online financial transactions be prohibited from using,
        or continuing
        to use, privacy and proxy services? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.75in"><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>       
          </span></span></span><span style="font-family:Calibri">Is this type
        of content regulation outside of ICANN&#39;s scope and mandate and
        the proper
        province of national law?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:Calibri"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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        <p><a href="#14d0c268aac32126__ftnref1" name="14d0c268aac32126__ftn1" title=""></a><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">[1]</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> The WG notes
            that the WHOIS RT
            had specifically acknowledged that P/P services can be and
            are used to address
            legitimate interests, both commercial and non-commercial. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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