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<pre wrap=""><<More generally, with the co-vice-chairs’ approval, we will be replicating
all the WG’s preliminary conclusions and open questions in a survey (using
SureveyMonkey), and offering that as an option to commenters if a survey
format (with space for free form text) might be easier for them and their
communities to respond to. Some WG members may know that this is a tool we
have begun to use to facilitate community input for recent GNSO WGs, e.g.
T e GNSO Policy & Implementation WG. Being an additional tool, the survey
will not preclude, replace or displace a commenter’s ability to submit
comments in the more “traditional” format, and this will be highlighted in
the background and directions for submitting public comment.>>
Hi Mary and All,
This is new and I think we should think carefully about whether the SurveyMonkey serves our purposes here. At the end of the day, will it provide information that we can easily understand and use? For the comments we are seeking, context is key. We will want to understand the context in which our respondents are responding - who are they, what are they concerned about, why do certain approaches address their need?
Out of context, in answer to a single question in the abstract, we may lack information for the best analysis and use at the end of the day. Full comments may be best here.
Best,
Kathy
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<blockquote cite="mid:D16A90D6.140F2%25mary.wong@icann.org"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Hello everyone,
Just to summarize where we are on this - as of the 30 April deadline, two
Additional Statements were received, both of which were also posted by
their respective submitters to this mailing list. One was sent in by Kiran
on behalf of DomainTools; Facebook Inc.; LegitScript; MarkMonitor; and
Smith, Gambrell & Russell LLP. Another was sent in by Kathy on behalf of
herself, Stephanie Perrin, David Cake and James Gannon (members of the
Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group), and Holly Raiche (member of the
At-Large Advisory Committee).
We plan to attribute each statement as noted above in Annex F of the
Initial Report, which is where a placeholder for such statements had been
put in the draft Initial Report. We have also, as requested by the
co-vice-chairs, created a page on the WG wiki that references documents
and discussions that were pertinent to the WG’s discussion of the
“transactional” issue, and will include a hyperlink to this page from
Section 1.3.3 of the Initial Report.
More generally, with the co-vice-chairs’ approval, we will be replicating
all the WG’s preliminary conclusions and open questions in a survey (using
SureveyMonkey), and offering that as an option to commenters if a survey
format (with space for free form text) might be easier for them and their
communities to respond to. Some WG members may know that this is a tool we
have begun to use to facilitate community input for recent GNSO WGs, e.g.
T e GNSO Policy & Implementation WG. Being an additional tool, the survey
will not preclude, replace or displace a commenter’s ability to submit
comments in the more “traditional” format, and this will be highlighted in
the background and directions for submitting public comment.
Thanks and cheers
Mary
Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>
-----Original Message-----
From: Kiran Malancharuvil <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com"><Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com></a>
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 11:47
To: "Bikoff, James" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jbikoff@sgrlaw.com"><jbikoff@sgrlaw.com></a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org></a>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Our Statement/Kiran's Statement
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<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Hi Jim,
Very generous. Staff - please make that change to the statement I
submitted, if it is deemed that is the correct way to represent these
signatories.
However, if any individual attorney or any individual at all wants to
sign to any statement in their appropriate capacity as a member of the
ICANN community, I strenuously object to ANY attempt to stop them from
doing so.
Thanks,
Kiran
Kiran Malancharuvil
Internet Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m)
Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On May 2, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Bikoff, James <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jbikoff@sgrlaw.com"><jbikoff@sgrlaw.com></a> wrote:
All,
We are happy to be listed as SGR.
Jim
Sent from my iPhone
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On May 2, 2015, at 11:19 AM, James M. Bladel <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"><jbladel@godaddy.com></a>
wrote:
This is not related to any constituency or SG’s membership or
participation rules. We have three individual representatives on the
WG
who wish to lend support to this statement. However, we previously
established that companies (not individuals) would be listed as
signatories, which would indicate that the firm itself (SGR) should be
listed once.
You’ve also explained that while these individual attorneys are
associated
with the same firm, they serve different clients. Also, fine but to
remain consistent with the previous thread we should list those client
organizations, rather than their individual representatives. If they
are
unable/unwilling to disclose those clients, then the indication of
support
should roll up to the firm.
J.
On 5/2/15, 13:08 , "Kiran Malancharuvil"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com"><Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I don't understand this recommendation. If they are individual
members
of the constituency, and that is the capacity of their representation
to
the ICANN Community, and they each have individual SOIs, what is the
basis for your recommendation? I would certainly be happy to leave
the
determination to staff, but it seems to me like you are trying to
change
the capacity of their membership to their constituency, which I would
consider inappropriate.
Enjoy your Saturday!
Kiran
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
James L. Bikoff | Attorney at Law
202-263-4341 Phone
202-263-4329 Fax
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.sgrlaw.com">www.sgrlaw.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jbikoff@sgrlaw.com">jbikoff@sgrlaw.com</a>
1055 Thomas Jefferson Street, N.W.
Suite 400
Washington, D.C. 20007
Smith, Gambrell & Russell, LLP
-----Original Message-----
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">From: James M. Bladel [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com</a>]
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2015 10:59 AM
To: Kiran Malancharuvil
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Our Statement/Kiran's Statement
Understood.
If the individual attorneys are unable/unwilling to disclose the
names of
the clients whose support they are lending to the statement, then I
recommend we fall back to their posted SOIs. Which takes us back to a
single entry for the firm itself.
Thanks—
J.
On 5/2/15, 12:54 , "Kiran Malancharuvil"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com"><Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Most lawyers don't disclose their clientele list.
If they are individuals members of the IPC or BC, and they are listed
consistently with that membership and therefore the capacity of their
participation at ICANN, that is the right way to represent
themselves.
Oftentimes, because of internal big firm conflicts, etc., it is
inappropriate to ask a firm to be listed as a firm.
Kiran Malancharuvil
Internet Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m)
Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On May 2, 2015, at 10:48 AM, James M. Bladel <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"><jbladel@godaddy.com></a>
wrote:
It does help clarify, but does not address the inconsistency.
Why would we not list the clients’ names, rather than their
representatives? Or one listing for the entire firm?
J.
On 5/2/15, 12:30 , "Kiran Malancharuvil"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com"><Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">James/Mary/Staff,
Perhaps the complexities of representation and membership in the
various constituencies of the CSG isn't clear.
There are some members who are individuals, and are categorized as
such
(e.g: outside counsel who represent their client interests through
individual participation in the group - firm name provided as
guidance) and others who are businesses or organizations that
appoint a representative (e.g.: firms who are represented as an
entity with a single representative, corporations who are members
as
a business, membership organizations such as AIPLA, etc.).
Where support is given to this statement as a company, company
names
are stated. Where support is given as individual representatives,
individual names are the more appropriate and accurate way to
list.
Hope this helps clear things up. Thanks for the opportunity to
clarify.
Kiran Malancharuvil
Internet Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m)
Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
On May 2, 2015, at 10:17 AM, James M. Bladel
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"><mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com></a>> wrote:
Mary/Staff -
These message are inconsistent. Please confirm: Are we listing the
names of individuals, or companies?
J.
From: Kiran Malancharuvil
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com">Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com"><mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@mark
m
oni
to
r.com></a>>
Date: Friday, May 1, 2015 at 20:25
To: Susan Kawaguchi <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:susank@fb.com">susank@fb.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:susank@fb.com"><mailto:susank@fb.com></a>>,
"Prosser,
Susan" <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:susan@domaintools.com">susan@domaintools.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:susan@domaintools.com"><mailto:susan@domaintools.com></a>>, Frank
Michlick <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:frank@domaincocoon.com">frank@domaincocoon.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:frank@domaincocoon.com"><mailto:frank@domaincocoon.com></a>>,
"<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org"><mailto:mary.wong@icann.org></a>"
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org"><mailto:mary.wong@icann.org></a>>
Cc: PPSAI WG
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org></a>>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Our Statement/Kiran's Statement
Mary,
Can you also add Jim Bikoff, David Heasley and Val Sherman from
Smith, Gambrell and Russell to the statement? Please retain “on
behalf of the proponents of the transactional distinction.”
Thanks,
Kiran
From: Kiran Malancharuvil
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 9:34 AM
To: 'Susan Kawaguchi'; Prosser, Susan; Frank Michlick;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org"><mailto:mary.wong@icann.org></a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org></a>
Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Our Statement/Kiran's Statement
Fantastic. Mary, please add the signatories mentioned
(LegitScript,
DomainTools, Facebook) as well as MarkMonitor (company name, not
individual) “on behalf of the proponents of the transactional
distinction.”
Thanks,
Kiran
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bo
u
nce
s@
icann.org></a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf
Of
Susan Kawaguchi
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 9:27 AM
To: Prosser, Susan; Frank Michlick
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org></a>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Our Statement/Kiran's Statement
Facebook can also be added to the supplemental statement Susan
Kawaguchi Domain Name Manager Facebook Legal Dept.
Phone - 650 485-6064
From: <Prosser>, Susan
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:susan@domaintools.com">susan@domaintools.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:susan@domaintools.com"><mailto:susan@domaintools.com></a>>
Date: Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:12 AM
To: Frank Michlick
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:frank@domaincocoon.com">frank@domaincocoon.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:frank@domaincocoon.com"><mailto:frank@domaincocoon.com></a>>
Cc:
"<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org></a>"
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org></a>>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Our Statement/Kiran's Statement
DomainTools can be added as a reference to Kiran's supplemental
statement as well.
-Susan
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 7:14 AM, Frank Michlick
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:frank@domaincocoon.com">frank@domaincocoon.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:frank@domaincocoon.com"><mailto:frank@domaincocoon.com></a>> wrote:
Kiran,
I appreciate that you were able to put this together under the time
restrictions in place. Thank you also to John Horton who added his
company name to the list.
If you cannot name companies though due to the need to get
approval,
maybe you could name the individuals (or they could speak up here)
that support/worded the statement.
So far we've got:
* Kiran Malancharuvil, Internet Policy Counselor, MarkMonitor
* Legitscript
I do think that any statement included with this report should be
attributable to the supporters/authors so the reader can take the
background into account when reviewing the statements. Comments
that
are not clearly attributable, could potentially weigh less in the
eye of the reader.
@Staff: Is there a way for you to include the authors/proponents in
a statement after its submission?
Best regards,
/Frank
--
Registrar Consultant - DomainCocoon Inc.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On 2015-05-01 9:34 AM, Kiran Malancharuvil wrote:
They are referenced as we had time to reference them in the
submission.
Keep in mind that we are, for the most part not individuals, but
companies and constituencies. Using company names is not feasible
when we are given two days to seek approval for a consolidated
statement.
If you want to know who was a proponent of this distinction, you
can go back to transcripts and the list to parse out that
information.
K
Kiran Malancharuvil
Internet Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:415-419-9138"><tel:415-419-9138></a> (m)
Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On May 1, 2015, at 6:30 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><mailto:michele@blacknight.com></a>> wrote:
Kiran
So who are the proponents of this position and how should they be
referenced?
In the case of Kathy & Co they are named clearly in the
submission
Regards
Michele
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<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On 01/05/2015 04:47, "Kiran Malancharuvil"
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com">Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com"><mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@m
a
rkm
on
itor.com></a>> wrote:
Incidentally, I would note that the characterization of the
statement as "Kirans statement" is incorrect. As stated before
in
several messes and as made clear in the text, the statement is
from the proponents of the transactional distinction.
Kiran Malancharuvil
Internet Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:415-419-9138"><tel:415-419-9138></a> (m)
Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On Apr 30, 2015, at 8:19 PM, Mary Wong
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org"><mailto:mary.wong@icann.org></a>> wrote:
We will reflect this change in the final text, thanks.
Cheers
Mary
Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
Telephone: +1 603 574 4892<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:%2B1%20603%20574%204892"><tel:%2B1%20603%20574%204892></a>
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org"><mailto:mary.wong@icann.org></a>
-----Original Message-----
From: Kiran Malancharuvil
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com">Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com"><mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@
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ark
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nitor.com></a>>
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 22:30
To: Kathy Kleiman
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com></a>>
Cc:
"<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org></a>
"
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org></a>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Our Statement/Kiran's
Statement
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">We changed that to "these members of the PPSAI working group."
Kiran Malancharuvil
Internet Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:415-419-9138"><tel:415-419-9138></a> (m)
Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 7:26 PM, Kathy Kleiman
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com></a><<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:k">mailto:k</a>
a
thy
@k
athykleiman.com<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com></a>>> wrote:
Hi John,
Thanks, but I think the "and" is correct and I would leave "as
is."
What I do object to though, is the conclusion of Kiran's
statement which, although a Minority Statement, represents
itself [as soliciting input on behalf of the entire PPSAI WG.
Steve, Graeme and Mary,
I strongly request a change of "The PPSAI Working Group
therefore desires public comment" to "The drafters of this
supplemental statement desire public comment..."
(current text) "The PPSAI Working Group therefore desires
public comment on the issue of encouraging transparent,
non-anonymous WHOIS data for persons and entities engaged in
active transactional commercial activity and provides the
above-referenced white
paper<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.legitscript.com/download/White_Paper_-_Commercial_Use_-_Jurisdictional_Analysis-May_11_2014.pdf"><https://www.legitscript.com/download/White_Paper_-_Commer
c
ial
_U
se_-_
Jurisdictional_Analysis-May_11_2014.pdf></a> as background for
consideration."
We (as a whole WG) desire public comment on the issue as
framed
in the main report.
Please confirm that this will change because Kiran's statement
speaks only for its group.
Tx,
Kathy
:
Hi Kathy,
Thanks for this. No objection here. One clarification: Is
"mothers and seniors" accurate, or should it be "mothers or
seniors"? I think the way it is currently written, someone
could interpret you to be talking about mothers who are also
senior citizens, which can certainly be true in the literal
sense, but I believe that your intent is to be broader and
note
that while some home-based business are (impliedly) merely run
by men or young folk, that some home-based businesses are run
by mothers, while others are run by seniors, irrespective of
their gender. I just wonder if the disjunctive might be better
than the conjunctive in this particular case?
Thanks!
John Horton
President and CEO, LegitScript
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Kathy Kleiman
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athykleiman.com<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com></a>>> wrote:
Dear Graeme, Steve, Mary and All, Attached please find our
supplemental statement for inclusion in the Interim Report.
Mary, could you please use the attached Word version as it
has
the formatting and highlights we seek to show in the
published
version.
I include a pasted version below for easy reading.
Best,
Kathy
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Statement of Kathy Kleiman, James Gannon and Stephanie Perrin,
Members of the Noncommercial Stakeholders Group
We respectfully submit that Section 1.3.3, 1.3.3, Specific
Topics on which there is currently no consensus within the
WG,
of this PPSAI Executive Summary and Interim Report is
incomplete. There are a number of topics on which there is
currently no consensus within the WG and which need
considerable work. These are issues well known and deeply
discussed.
For the purposes of clarity and to lend depth to the comments
and discussion to come, we submit this statement of how we
would like to see Section 1.3.3 written.
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1.3.3, Specific Topics on which there is currently no
consensus
within the WG
1.3.3.1 REVEAL
The WG¹s has not yet reached final preliminary conclusions on
key details of its ³Reveal² recommendations (See Annex E of
the Interim Report).
There are many details still under discussion and for which
the
WG has not reached consensus. These include:
- What remedies should a Customer be allowed in the
event
that a
Reveal Request was falsely made or the data was improperly
used
(current recommendations provide mechanism only for Provider
action)?
- Should Requestors be allowed to escalate each and
every
rejection of a Reveal Request to a 3rd party forum, or should
the WG seek to adopt reasonable standards and thresholds for
such appeals to avoid unnecessary and time-consuming
appeals?
(Note: a Request for Reconsideration is already a part of the
recommended process the WG has agreed to by consensus.)
- What rights and protections should a Customer be
allowed
and
encouraged to forth in her/his/its own defense to provide a
reasonable defense for maintaining her/his/its privacy, even
in
the face of a copyright or trademark infringement allegation?
- How can Customers be protected from
extraterritorial
requests
from Law Enforcement from outside their country, when the use
of their domain name is for legal purposes in their own
country, but perhaps purposes deemed illegal in other
countries
[Note: even Interpol refuses to act across national lines in
matters of political, military, religious and racial issues
because of the enormous differences of law.
Article 3,
Interpol Constitution]
Input and comments would be helpful on these issues.
1.3.3.2 THE COMPLEXITIES OF INTRUDING INTO NATIONAL LAW
Although the WG agreed that the mere fact that a domain name
is
registered by a commercial entity or by anyone conducting
commercial activity should not preclude the use of P/P
services[1][1], there was disagreement over whether domain
names that are actively used for commercial transactions
(e.g.
the sale or exchange of goods or
services)
should be prohibited from using P/P services.
While most WG members did not believe such a prohibition is
necessary or practical, some members believed that
registrants
of such domain names should not be able to use or continue
using proxy or privacy services. [1] Other members of the WG
noted that fundraising and membership drives are often
performed by the very groups and organizations seeking
privacy/proxy registration for protection, including minority
political groups, minority religious organizations, ethnic
groups, organizations committed to change of racial
policies,
gender orientation groups, and publications engaged in
freedom
of expression. These groups and their representatives note
that, in the laws of their countries, the mere collection of
a
donation or membership fee does not change their status from
³non-commercial² to commercial. Others noted that ³non-profit²
status is limited to only a few countries.
Further, many of organizations, small businesses, home-based
businesses (including those run by mothers and seniors)
conduct
their financial transactions through 3rd party e-commerce
companies, such as PayPal, and thus are not processing the
financial transactions directly.
Accordingly,
many members in the WG submit there is no reason to breach the
proxy/privacy of organizations and businesses purely and
solely
for this reason.
Many members many in the WG submit that content regulation is
far beyond the scope of ICANN and properly the scope of
national laws some of which has taken initiatives in this
area which are clearly defined and properly limited in scope
and application (e.g., Germany).
For those that argued that it is necessary and practical to
limit access to P/P services to exclude commercial entities,
the following text was proposed to clarify and define their
position: ³domains used for online financial transactions
for
commercial purpose should be ineligible for privacy and
proxy
registrations.² This suggestion has been debated strongly by
the members of the WG and has not reached consensus as
others
submitted that:
"Attempting to distinguish the end purposes of a domain
registration is not practicable for the purposes of
determining
eligibility for privacy/proxy services, and will unfairly
discriminate against vulnerable groups, entrepreneurs, small
businesses and organizations who wish to exercise their
rights
of freedom of expression rights on the Internet.
Input requested on the full issues, including questions below:
€ Should registrants of domain names associated with
commercial
activities and which are used for online financial
transactions
be prohibited from using, or continuing to use, privacy and
proxy services?
€ Is this type of content regulation outside of ICANN's
scope and
mandate and the proper province of national law?
________________________________
[1] The WG notes that the WHOIS RT had specifically
acknowledged that P/P services can be and are used to address
legitimate interests, both commercial and non-commercial.
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