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    +1 to Volker and Phil and James B, as well as of course all others

    looking for more time.  Let's take this seriously, folks.  Some of

    us who are are on other WGs are also all stretched beyond capacity. 

    I expect staff are as well.<br>

    Stephanie P<br>

    <br>

    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-07-15 12:05, Volker Greimann

      wrote:<br>

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      Agreed. We should be extra careful to use this opportunity not

      just to look at the questions we asked, but put the entire first

      report to the test of the comments. If we did anything less, we

      would ignore the essence of the comments. <br>

      <br>

      This includes the question of why an accreditation system is

      preferrable to any other method of achieving those goals, btw.<br>

      <br>

      Best,<br>

      <br>

      Volker<br>

      <br>

      <br>

      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 15.07.2015 um 17:58 schrieb James

        M. Bladel:<br>

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        cite="mid:D688F3A3-794E-41CC-8544-B221765B2FBF@godaddy.com"

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        <div>While I agree with previous commenters, I'd like to point

          out that it isn't just the volume of comments received that

          will require more time to review, but rather the substantive

          "holes" or "gaps" identified during this process that we need

          to address. Whether these had come from thousands of comments

          or just a handful, I believe they will take more time to

          process. <br>

          <br>

          Thank you,

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          <div>J.</div>

          <div>____________</div>

          <div>James Bladel</div>

          <div>GoDaddy</div>

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          On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:28, Carlton Samuels &lt;<a

            moz-do-not-send="true"

            href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>&gt;

          wrote:<br>

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              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans

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              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans

                ms,sans-serif;font-size:large"> Kathy's arguments

                offered in favour of more time to usefully treat the

                comments are impatient of debate.</div>

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                  ==============================<br>

                  Carlton A Samuels<br>

                  Mobile: 876-818-1799<br>

                  <i><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Planning,

                      Governance, Assessment &amp; Turnaround</font></i><br>

                  =============================</div>

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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:20 AM,

                Kathy Kleiman <span dir="ltr"> &lt;<a

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                    href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>&gt;</span>

                wrote:<br>

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                  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Hi All, I posted

                    this email earlier today, but have not seen it pop

                    up the list. Resending...<br>

                    Best,<br>

                    Kathy<br>

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                      All,<br>

                      I agree with the emails of Volker and James G.

                      that we have to do a thorough review of the

                      comments. I also agree with the expansion of the

                      time frame to do it.  <br>

                      <br>

                      The last time we had such an outpouring of

                      comments at ICANN that I can remember was the

                      Closed Generic proceeding and comments to the

                      Board. Dozens of comments flowed in from parties

                      who do not traditionally participate in ICANN

                      processes. The Board took the time to read,

                      evaluate and respond to the comments.<br>

                      <br>

                      Here too we must take the time to read, evaluate

                      and respond to the comments. As Volker points out,

                      the issues before us are not only the questions we

                      issued, but the consensus we presented. Do others

                      agree with our consensus?  Do they support our

                      direction?  Would they push it more in one

                      direction or another or reject it outright? <br>

                      <br>

                      One thing I have seen in my skimming of the

                      comments is a lot of discussion of Due Process.

                      There appears to be a good amount of commentary on

                      this issue, and one we will need to read and

                      evaluate closely. <br>

                      <br>

                      Over the year of our work we have talked often

                      about the month of August. How it is a time that

                      many in certain countries take long vacations; how

                      emails to business addresses are often unanswered

                      until the person returns to her/his desk. I think

                      a rush on this in the dead of summer is a)

                      unnecessary b) will not result in full staffing of

                      the teams that we are setting up and c) will not

                      give us the time for the evaluation, analysis and

                      incorporation that we need.<br>

                      <br>

                      Analysis, evaluation, incorporation -- this is a

                      very important task for us now. <br>

                      Best,<br>

                      Kathy<br>

                      <br>

                      <br>

                      <br>

                      <div>On 7/15/2015 5:50 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:<br>

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                      <blockquote type="cite">Hi all,<br>

                        <br>

                        considering the outpouring of comments, we

                        should not limit ourselves to these three topics

                        but rather try to see how the comments affect

                        the entire work so far. It does make sense to

                        check the comments for these issues, but not

                        exclusively. <br>

                        <br>

                        That said, I volunteer for the first team.<br>

                        <br>

                        I support the sugestion to "collapse" yes and no

                        responses.<br>

                        <br>

                        Best,<br>

                        <br>

                        Volker<br>

                        <br>

                        <div>Am 15.07.2015 um 00:50 schrieb Mary Wong:<br>

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                          <div>Dear WG members,</div>

                          <div><br>

                          </div>

                          <div>Following from the WG call earlier today,

                            the co-chairs and staff after some

                            consultation would like to propose the

                            following approach for your consideration:</div>

                          <div><br>

                          </div>

                          <div><u>1. Use of Sub Teams for Specific

                              Topics</u>:</div>

                          <ul>

                            <li>Sub-teams comprising a few WG volunteers

                              each can be formed to do the initial

                              review of public comments received on the

                              three topics suggested by Steve on the

                              call, i.e. (1) Section 1.3.2 of the

                              Initial Report (on escalation of relay

                              requests and the handling of

                              disclosure/publication requests from third

                              parties other than IP rights holders); (2)

                              Section 1.3.3 (on the open question

                              regarding online financial transactions);

                              and (3) Annex E (the Illustrative

                              Disclosure Framework). </li>

                            <li>To assist the WG evaluate the usefulness

                              of sub teams, a sub team for Section 1.3.2

                              can be formed first and serve as a “test

                              case” for the exercise. </li>

                            <li>As outlined on the call, a sub team will

                              do a “first pass” through a template,

                              based on the Public Comment Review Tool,

                              that staff will populate with all the

                              input received on that particular issue.

                              The sub team will report back to the full

                              WG in a timely fashion, including

                              suggesting a WG response and/or proposed

                              action in relation to the comments

                              received. </li>

                            <li>Sub teams may elect to do their work via

                              email and online tools (e.g. Google Docs

                              or a wiki page), with or without

                              supplemental conference calls. Any calls

                              will be recorded and transcribed for

                              transparency purposes, and drafts and

                              other documents prepared using online

                              tools will also be made available to the

                              full WG. (Do note, however, that depending

                              on call scheduling and timing, staff

                              support may not be available for all

                              requested calls if several sub teams are

                              used concurrently.) </li>

                          </ul>

                          <div><b>PLEASE VOLUNTEER FOR SUB TEAM 1.3.2 IF

                              YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ASSISTING WITH THIS

                              INITIAL REVIEW. </b>Staff will endeavor

                            to provide the template tool for 1.3.2 to

                            the sub team as soon as possible, hopefully

                            by Monday.</div>

                          <div><br>

                          </div>

                          <div><u>2. Full WG Review of Other Comments to

                              Continue in Parallel</u>:</div>

                          <ul>

                            <li>Staff will “collapse” (per James’

                              suggestion on the call) all those template

                              responses received that were simply a Yes

                              or No answer to a question, without any

                              further comment added – these will be

                              reflected in the Public Comment Review

                              Tool accordingly, as a single collective

                              entry. The current Tool (covering

                              Preliminary Recommendations 1 through 9)

                              will be updated in time for the WG to

                              begin this review on the next call. </li>

                          </ul>

                          <div><br>

                          </div>

                          <div><u>3. Collated Information</u>:</div>

                          <ul>

                            <li>In addition to the updated spreadsheet

                              just circulated by Graeme, we can also

                              send you archived mail files of the

                              contributions received to the public

                              comment forum, should you or your group

                              wish to conduct searches through each

                              comment yourselves. </li>

                          </ul>

                          <div><br>

                          </div>

                          <div>We hope the above will be helpful in

                            facilitating good progress on the work to be

                            done in preparation for the Final Report.</div>

                          <div><br>

                          </div>

                          <div>Thanks and cheers</div>

                          <div>Mary</div>

                          <div><br>

                          </div>

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