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Hi Steve,<br>
According to ICANN's Public Comment website, we did invite comment
not only on our questions, but on our preliminary recommendations
(please see language below). We also promised "analysis of all
public comments received." <br>
<br>
==> "The <abbr class="" title="Working Group">WG</abbr>'s
preliminary recommendations cover all aspects of its Chartered
questions, and include specific recommendations concerning "relay
and "reveal". Some of these preliminary recommendations cover only
certain aspects of a Charter topic, with the <abbr title="Working
Group">WG</abbr> yet to reach consensus on the remaining aspects
and open questions. In some instances, a preliminary recommendation
or an open question may include bracketed language indicating
alternative versions still under consideration by the <abbr
title="Working Group">WG</abbr> and for which they would
particularly welcome community input.
<p>==> Following analysis of all public comments received, the <abbr
title="Working Group">WG</abbr> will finalize its
recommendations and prepare a Final Report for delivery to the <abbr
title="Generic Names Supporting Organization">GNSO</abbr>
Council, for its review and action."
https://www.icann.org/public-comments/ppsai-initial-2015-05-05-en
<br>
</p>
So yes, I think we have do have to deal with the concerns as voiced
in these comments. If a lot of those concerns were about "due
process" and the way we (the WG) handle "due process," that is going
to be an issue we need to discuss.. What I fear you might have done
below is to a) take an issue presented in many comments (hundreds?
thousands?), analyze it and dismiss it. I think (with a sigh
because it is a lot of work), we have to review it, analyze it and
confront it -- whatever final decision we (the WG) choose to make.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Kathy<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/17/2015 3:42 PM, Metalitz, Steven
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">No,
James, we should certainly consider those concerns but not
necessarily change the report.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
single concern raised more often than any other, I am
positive, is that proxy services should not be permitted to
disclose any information on their customer without a court
order. That is not a standard that your service or any
other that I know of can meet. We can change our report to
make that a requirement for privacy/proxy service
providers. Should we?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Steve
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
James M. Bladel [mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 17, 2015 3:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Metalitz, Steven<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kathy Kleiman; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly
revised proposed approach for reviewing public comments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Steve:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">With respect, if several thousand
commenters raised issues that concern them, but are not
addressed by our report, the our focus should be on
changing the report, not discounting the comments. <br>
<br>
Thank you, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">J.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">____________<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">James Bladel<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">GoDaddy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Jul 17, 2015, at 21:20, Metalitz, Steven <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
am all in favor of people identifying topics they
believe need to be addressed by the WG. However,
Kathy, I have to disagree with your premise, which is
that the ten thousand plus comments reflect responses
to our questions or even statements of agreement or
disagreement to our consensus positions or report
proposals. A much smaller (though still significant)
number of comments do that, and those should be our
top priority for review and response. But the vast
majority of comments clearly are not responses to our
report. These mass comments raise a very limited
number of issues, which I don’t think we will that
much difficulty dealing with once we have addressed
the responses to our questions and the reasoned
statements of agreement or disagreement with specific
proposals we have made. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Let’s
get started on the more substantive comments, starting
with the questions we did pose. We have subteams
forming to start to tackle that, and the staff (and
Graeme!) are providing some tools to try to help
facilitate that. For those who don’t wish to join
subteams, again, I agree it would be useful to
identify (as you put it) the “major issues and
concerns” that you find in the comments, with
citations to those comments that you believe raise
those major issues and concerns.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Steve
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 16, 2015 6:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly
revised proposed approach for reviewing public
comments</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Don, Steve, Graeme, Mary and all
WG members, <br>
I would like recommend that we take a slightly different
approach. We received over ten thousand comments, many
coming from those who do not ordinarily participate in
the ICANN process. They wrote to us us not only in
response to our specific questions, but also to share
agreement (and disagreement) to our consensus
positions/report proposals, and to explain why
proxy/privacy registrations are important to them. There
has been a huge outpouring particularly on the last
issue.<br>
<br>
While a few topics for cataloging these comments were
presented on the call, with great respect, I do not
think we have dealt with or cataloged all of the major
issues and concerns raised by the comments yet. Before
we leap forward to subteams and analysis, shouldn't we
ask further, in writing, and with the whole of the WG
participating -- have we gotten the topics right? Have
we created sufficient topics to allow us to catalog the
broad range of information, concerns and comments shared
with us by so many commenters?
<br>
<br>
I would like to request that we be able to take big
breath, and a slightly (only slightly!) different
approach. In preparation for Tuesday's call, could we
all skim the comments -- with our array of expertise,
insight, knowledge of aspects of our commenter base --
to come up with topics that we think the WG should
evaluate in tour review? Perhaps if we can circulate
the topics online, and then discuss them on Tuesday.<br>
<br>
Then we discuss how these topics/this substance might be
overlaid on the subteam process laid out below and
shared for the first time on last week's call. We will
then have both substance and process! And we will know
that we have considered all of the major issues arising
from these important comments.<br>
<br>
If we go forward now without this evaluation, I fear we
may be missing much of what the comments have to offer.<br>
<br>
Best and tx,<br>
Kathy<br>
<br>
<br>
<b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary Wong<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
14 July 2015 23:50<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A proposed
approach for reviewing public comments</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Dear WG members,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Following from the WG call earlier
today, the co-chairs and staff after some
consultation would like to propose the following
approach for your consideration:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><u><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">1. Use of Sub Teams for Specific
Topics</span></u><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Sub-teams comprising a few WG
volunteers each can be formed to do the initial
review of public comments received on the three
topics suggested by Steve on the call, i.e. (1)
Section 1.3.2 of the Initial Report (on escalation
of relay requests and the handling of
disclosure/publication requests from third parties
other than IP rights holders); (2) Section 1.3.3
(on the open question regarding online financial
transactions); and (3) Annex E (the Illustrative
Disclosure Framework).</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">To assist the WG evaluate the
usefulness of sub teams, a sub team for Section
1.3.2 can be formed first and serve as a “test
case” for the exercise.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">As outlined on the call, a sub team
will do a “first pass” through a template, based
on the Public Comment Review Tool, that staff will
populate with all the input received on that
particular issue. The sub team will report back to
the full WG in a timely fashion, including
suggesting a WG response and/or proposed action in
relation to the comments received.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Sub teams may elect to do their work
via email and online tools (e.g. Google Docs or a
wiki page), with or without supplemental
conference calls. Any calls will be recorded and
transcribed for transparency purposes, and drafts
and other documents prepared using online tools
will also be made available to the full WG. (Do
note, however, that depending on call scheduling
and timing, staff support may not be available for
all requested calls if several sub teams are used
concurrently.)</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">PLEASE VOLUNTEER FOR SUB TEAM 1.3.2
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ASSISTING WITH THIS
INITIAL REVIEW.
</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Staff will endeavor to provide the
template tool for 1.3.2 to the sub team as soon as
possible, hopefully by Monday.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><u><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">2. Full WG Review of Other Comments
to Continue in Parallel</span></u><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo6">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Staff will “collapse” (per James’
suggestion on the call) all those template
responses received that were simply a Yes or No
answer to a question, without any further comment
added – these will be reflected in the Public
Comment Review Tool accordingly, as a single
collective entry. The current Tool (covering
Preliminary Recommendations 1 through 9) will be
updated in time for the WG to begin this review on
the next call.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><u><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">3. Collated Information</span></u><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo9">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">In addition to the updated
spreadsheet just circulated by Graeme, we can also
send you archived mail files of the contributions
received to the public comment forum, should you
or your group wish to conduct searches through
each comment yourselves.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">We hope the above will be helpful in
facilitating good progress on the work to be done
in preparation for the Final Report.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Thanks and cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Mary</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Mary Wong</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Senior Policy Director</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Internet Corporation for Assigned
Names & Numbers (ICANN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Telephone: +1 603 574 4889</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Email:
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