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I dont know how you interpret what I said to be, commenter says A,
but clearly does not understand the issue, so he really means B. <br>
What I am trying to say (obviously ineffectively, and apologies to
all english-as-second-language speakers who are having trouble
following this thread) is:<br>
1. Many people said they think release of their data should be only
upon presentation of a court order, apparently<br>
2. In fact, Court order procedures vary from state to state, and we
do not explain that anywhere in the report. Nor do the website
generators.<br>
3. When we consider the comment, which appears to be a widely held
view, we need to consider the reality of what a policy that
reflected that would have to accommodate (i.e. jurisdictional and
procedural variance.<br>
<br>
I do not believe that either twists the meaning of a public comment,
introduces my own preferred option, or anything else. the goal is
to further explicate what such a proposal would mean. A plus X, not
A=B.<br>
I am going to quit this now, but feel free to comment.<br>
cheers Stephanie <br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-07-21 8:37, Williams, Todd
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">No,
that’s not what I said. We should review and consider every
comment. But as we do so, we can’t change them to mean
whatever we want them to mean. We have to take what they
say at face value. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In
fact, I would argue that it’s more “dismissive” to read a
comment and say:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Well,
the comment says A, but the commenter probably doesn’t
“understand the complexity of what we are dealing with,” so
instead I’m going to assume the commenter meant B. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
Stephanie Perrin
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Williams, Todd; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly
revised proposed approach for reviewing public comments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So are you suggesting throwing them out?
Because they dont understand the complexity of what we are
dealing with, and make a simple recommendation that appears to
be based on US law? If this is the case, I respectfully
suggest that this is dismissive of public comment, which is
the central point of my remarks below. If on the other hand,
we include the recommendation in our report, we could of
course discuss the pros and cons. I believe that would be the
fair thing to do.<br>
By the way, most of us are not law enforcement experts here,
nor are we jurisdictional experts. So while I raised of
couple of examples of why (2) was different and more
problematic than (1), my goal was to explicate the ways they
were different, not to disqualify the comments because they
were not framed as a legal argument.<br>
SP, always with the caveat that I am not a lawyer.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2015-07-21 8:15, Williams, Todd wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks
Stephanie. I don’t think we can re-interpret the comments
to mean whatever we want them to mean. If they argued for
a proposal for which we cannot reach consensus (either
because the proposal won’t fly legally, for the reasons
that you pointed out, or because it won’t fly
economically, for the reasons that Volker pointed out),
then I don’t think it’s our place to re-cast what they
argued into something else, or try to divine their intent
in order to “take their comments as an expression” of
something else. I’m not even sure how we would do that.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
Stephanie Perrin [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Williams, Todd; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly
revised proposed approach for reviewing public
comments</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I dont hold the public to the same
standards as, for instance, legal counsel who are there to
assist me in legislative drafting. So I don't expect all
the people who wrote in to understand that while in
principle we should demand court orders, there are options
for exigency. Neither should we expect them to understand
the powers of, for instance, the French intelligence
agencies.
<br>
So what I am saying is, we should take their comments as an
expression of strong preference for only releasing with
proper legal authority, Does that sound fair?<br>
I don't think we have a right to question the substantive
value of a comment....we have a responsibility to ensure we
recommend what is legal and practical and affordable and
fair.<br>
Long and convoluted answer to what was a simple
question....my apologies. <br>
cheers SP<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2015-07-20 16:01, Williams, Todd
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks
Stephanie. Assuming that what you outlined below is
accurate, I think that means that you and Volker have
now identified two good reasons for us to question the
substantive value of any comment arguing that “no one’s
personal information should be revealed without a court
order”:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
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</span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Because
such a standard is not economically feasible for P/P
Providers, as Volker has pointed out; and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Because
such a standard would not “fly” legally in some
jurisdictions, as you’ve pointed out.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Is
that correct?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephanie Perrin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2015 1:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly
revised proposed approach for reviewing public
comments</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Forgive me please is someone has
already dissected this text. Lot of ICANN traffic these
days....<br>
1. a) ICANN should not implement policy that requires
disclosure without a court order, or<br>
This means that ICANN should not develop a policy which
requires a service provider to release information without
a Court order....on a routine basis, the policy requires
it. Seems clear enough. Violates national constitutional
protections in some jurisdictions, I would argue. <br>
<br>
b) no disclosure should be allowed without a court order.
<br>
<br>
Thiis on the other hand would require a policy that says,
no disclosure may be made without a court order. First
problem is that not all jurisdictions have court orders,
some authorities (notably intelligence authorities) do not
need a Court order for certain kinds of releases. This
applies to many western democracies. In some
jurisdictions, there are also urgency provisions, in the
case of life and death etc. So this is an absolute
prohibition against release without a Court order, which
would not fly, for instance, in Canada. Last time I
checked there were provisions in our privacy law to permit
service providers to disclose info to the police
voluntarily when they believed a crime was taking
place....put there to facilitate the investigation of
child pornography and copyright abuse.<br>
Stephanie Perrin<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 2015-07-20 8:55, Williams, Todd
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks
James and Volker. I’m curious how you interpret the
comments to get to (a) rather than (b). The language
from many of the comments is “No one’s personal
information should be revealed without a court
order.” How is that not almost verbatim to (b)?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Gannon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2015 6:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Volker Greimann; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly
revised proposed approach for reviewing public
comments</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Agreed
Volker I would put my analysis in set A aswell.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">-James</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2015 11:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly
revised proposed approach for reviewing public
comments</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi
Steve,<br>
<br>
these comments can be read in different ways:<br>
<br>
a) ICANN should not implement policy that requires
disclosure without a court order, or<br>
b) no disclosure should be allowed without a court
order. <br>
<br>
I tend to interpret the comments as being in the a)
column. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Am 17.07.2015 um 21:42 schrieb
Metalitz, Steven:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">No,
James, we should certainly consider those concerns
but not necessarily change the report.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
single concern raised more often than any other, I
am positive, is that proxy services should not be
permitted to disclose any information on their
customer without a court order. That is not a
standard that your service or any other that I know
of can meet. We can change our report to make that
a requirement for privacy/proxy service providers.
Should we?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Steve
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
James M. Bladel [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 17, 2015 3:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Metalitz, Steven<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kathy Kleiman; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A
slightly revised proposed approach for reviewing
public comments</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Steve:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">With respect, if several
thousand commenters raised issues that concern
them, but are not addressed by our report, the our
focus should be on changing the report, not
discounting the comments. <br>
<br>
Thank you, <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">J.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">____________<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">James Bladel<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">GoDaddy<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Jul 17, 2015, at 21:20, Metalitz, Steven <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
am all in favor of people identifying topics
they believe need to be addressed by the WG.
However, Kathy, I have to disagree with your
premise, which is that the ten thousand plus
comments reflect responses to our questions or
even statements of agreement or disagreement
to our consensus positions or report
proposals. A much smaller (though still
significant) number of comments do that, and
those should be our top priority for review
and response. But the vast majority of
comments clearly are not responses to our
report. These mass comments raise a very
limited number of issues, which I don’t think
we will that much difficulty dealing with once
we have addressed the responses to our
questions and the reasoned statements of
agreement or disagreement with specific
proposals we have made. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Let’s
get started on the more substantive comments,
starting with the questions we did pose. We
have subteams forming to start to tackle that,
and the staff (and Graeme!) are providing some
tools to try to help facilitate that. For
those who don’t wish to join subteams, again,
I agree it would be useful to identify (as you
put it) the “major issues and concerns” that
you find in the comments, with citations to
those comments that you believe raise those
major issues and concerns.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Steve
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 16, 2015 6:34
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A
slightly revised proposed approach for
reviewing public comments</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi
Don, Steve, Graeme, Mary and all WG members,
<br>
I would like recommend that we take a slightly
different approach. We received over ten
thousand comments, many coming from those who do
not ordinarily participate in the ICANN process.
They wrote to us us not only in response to our
specific questions, but also to share agreement
(and disagreement) to our consensus
positions/report proposals, and to explain why
proxy/privacy registrations are important to
them. There has been a huge outpouring
particularly on the last issue.<br>
<br>
While a few topics for cataloging these comments
were presented on the call, with great respect,
I do not think we have dealt with or cataloged
all of the major issues and concerns raised by
the comments yet. Before we leap forward to
subteams and analysis, shouldn't we ask further,
in writing, and with the whole of the WG
participating -- have we gotten the topics
right? Have we created sufficient topics to
allow us to catalog the broad range of
information, concerns and comments shared with
us by so many commenters?
<br>
<br>
I would like to request that we be able to take
big breath, and a slightly (only slightly!)
different approach. In preparation for
Tuesday's call, could we all skim the comments
-- with our array of expertise, insight,
knowledge of aspects of our commenter base -- to
come up with topics that we think the WG should
evaluate in tour review? Perhaps if we can
circulate the topics online, and then discuss
them on Tuesday.<br>
<br>
Then we discuss how these topics/this substance
might be overlaid on the subteam process laid
out below and shared for the first time on last
week's call. We will then have both substance
and process! And we will know that we have
considered all of the major issues arising from
these important comments.<br>
<br>
If we go forward now without this evaluation, I
fear we may be missing much of what the comments
have to offer.<br>
<br>
Best and tx,<br>
Kathy<br>
<br>
<br>
<b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary Wong<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> 14
July 2015 23:50<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A
proposed approach for reviewing public
comments</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">Dear WG members,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">Following from the WG call
earlier today, the co-chairs and staff
after some consultation would like to
propose the following approach for your
consideration:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><u><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">1. Use of Sub Teams for
Specific Topics</span></u><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo2">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">Sub-teams comprising a few WG
volunteers each can be formed to do the
initial review of public comments received
on the three topics suggested by Steve on
the call, i.e. (1) Section 1.3.2 of the
Initial Report (on escalation of relay
requests and the handling of
disclosure/publication requests from third
parties other than IP rights holders); (2)
Section 1.3.3 (on the open question
regarding online financial transactions);
and (3) Annex E (the Illustrative
Disclosure Framework).</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo2">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">To assist the WG evaluate the
usefulness of sub teams, a sub team for
Section 1.3.2 can be formed first and
serve as a “test case” for the exercise.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo2">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">As outlined on the call, a
sub team will do a “first pass” through a
template, based on the Public Comment
Review Tool, that staff will populate with
all the input received on that particular
issue. The sub team will report back to
the full WG in a timely fashion, including
suggesting a WG response and/or proposed
action in relation to the comments
received.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo2">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">Sub teams may elect to do
their work via email and online tools
(e.g. Google Docs or a wiki page), with or
without supplemental conference calls. Any
calls will be recorded and transcribed for
transparency purposes, and drafts and
other documents prepared using online
tools will also be made available to the
full WG. (Do note, however, that depending
on call scheduling and timing, staff
support may not be available for all
requested calls if several sub teams are
used concurrently.)</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">PLEASE VOLUNTEER FOR SUB
TEAM 1.3.2 IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN
ASSISTING WITH THIS INITIAL REVIEW.
</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">Staff will endeavor to
provide the template tool for 1.3.2 to the
sub team as soon as possible, hopefully by
Monday.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><u><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">2. Full WG Review of Other
Comments to Continue in Parallel</span></u><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">Staff will “collapse” (per
James’ suggestion on the call) all those
template responses received that were
simply a Yes or No answer to a question,
without any further comment added – these
will be reflected in the Public Comment
Review Tool accordingly, as a single
collective entry. The current Tool
(covering Preliminary Recommendations 1
through 9) will be updated in time for the
WG to begin this review on the next call.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><u><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">3. Collated Information</span></u><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
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