<html><body>Hi Paul<br /><br />This is the very debate the ALAC has been having. On the one hand, non-commercial users and consumers do not want the miscreants being able to hide behind a p/p service. But earlier comments are also correct - most consumers will not go to the Whois database to try to track down the miscreant. They will go to their consumer protection agency (however named). And the truth is that if they go to their local police station, that police station will also not be going to the Whois database. However, a consumer protection agency, or a government agency that deals with consumer probably will have the knowledge to check out the Whois database and use whatever other resources (policy, law enforcement agencies) to track down the miscreants.<br /><br />This is why we need to think through who should be given access to Whois data of the registrant using a p/p service. Should it just be law enforcement agencies with a warrant, or others as well - as set out in the Annex for rights holders. Agreed, the Whois data of miscreants probably won't be correct, but it may assist law enforcement and other agencies to track down the miscreants.<br /><br />Hope that moves this discussion along<br /><br />Holly<br /><blockquote><br />----- Original Message -----<br /><div style="width:100%;background:rgb(228,228,228);"><div style="font-weight:bold;">From:</div> "Volker Greimann" <vgreimann@key-systems.net></div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">To:</div>"McGrady Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</div>Mon, 20 Jul 2015 19:24:40 +0200<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</div>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approach for reviewing public comments<br /><br /><br />
Hi Paul,<br /><br />
I agree that non-commercial users and consumers may need protection
as well, but I am just not sure how this relates to privacy services
at all. How does knowing the underlying data of a privacy service
help a scam victim? If there is illegal use, odds are the underlying
data will not be of much value either. Criminals rarely leave their
home address on file anywhere near their crime scenes. <br /><br />
Surely preferred venue for addressing such abuse by consumers is
their local police station, who will initiate an investigation and
can get a court order if the substance of the case bears that out.
Across borders, legal assistance is available. A British law
enforcement official has proper venues to request legal assistance
from his German counterpart, for example.<br /><br />
Which leaves us with the rights and interests of those that use
these services for legitimate reasons. We need to ensure their
interests are protected too. For reasons, go look at the hundreds of
public comments where users detail why they NEED strong protections
of their privacy that cannot be easily circumvented.<br /><br /><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 20.07.2015 um 18:53 schrieb McGrady,
Paul D.:<br /></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Thanks
Volker. For the benefit of the others on the list, I am
pulling up a copy of your original email to me so that I can
be read along with your additional thoughts below.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"></span></p><p> </p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"></span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"></span></p><p> </p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Also,
thank you for this statement in your post below:</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"></span></p><p> </p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">“I
also think that the importance of the debate is of the
essence here, but that does not only include the interests
of IP and trademark rights holders but also those of those
affected by anything we come up with, i.e. civil society,
private individuals and organizations, and their rights and
interests”
</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"></span></p><p> </p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">which
appears to adopt my concern for the protection of
non-commercial users who are victims of scams, crime, etc.
While I thought it was interesting that you attempted to
bring in IP and trademark rights holders into a conversation
about non-commercial user’s need to get access to
information about criminals and others abusing them and the
DNS, I’m not sure that simply beating the IP/Trademark
Holder straw man is that same thing as putting forward
substantive ideas on how to balance in the concerns of
non-commercial, non-DNS customer consumers with the
“mandatory litigation” framework you are proposing. I
again welcome any substantive comments you may have
regarding how we protect those consumers – even if they do
not own a domain name or pay for P/P services – within the
mandatory litigation paradigm which would result in
months-long delay to get an order from the victim’s court
served on a P/P service countries away. </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"></span></p><p> </p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Thanks
in advance for your substantive thoughts on how to balance
these interests.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"></span></p><p> </p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Best,</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Paul</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"></span></p><p> </p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';">
Volker Greimann [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>]
<br /><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2015 11:16 AM<br /><b>To:</b> McGrady, Paul D.; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly
revised proposed approach for reviewing public comments</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;">Hi Paul,<br /><br />
I intended to post to the list, apologies if I misclicked.<br /><br />
I wanted to say that the truth is probably somewhere in the
middle. No one is served if the justice system takes months to
process a simple request, OTOH, this is not a reason for
circumventing due process. Slow justice is better than no
justice or vigilantism.<br /><br />
I also think that the importance of the debate is of the
essence here, but that does not only include the interests of
IP and trademark rights holders but also those of those
affected by anything we come up with, i.e. civil society,
private individuals and organizations, and their rights and
interests.<br /><br />
Best,<br /><br />
Volker <br /><br /><br /></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 20.07.2015 um 17:30 schrieb McGrady,
Paul D.:</p><p></p><p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Thanks
Volker. I don’t think your comment appreciates the
importance of the debate. Is there a reason that it was
sent only to me and not to the list? Any object to me
posting it on the list? Thanks.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';">
Volker Greimann [<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>]
<br /><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2015 10:26 AM<br /><b>To:</b> McGrady, Paul D.<br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly
revised proposed approach for reviewing public
comments</span></p><p></p><p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;">Hi Paul,<br /><br />
it seems a good thing not to be in a common law country
then, as over here usually a different axiom applies:
"justice hurried along is bad justice". If a case is there,
a court will be able to see that and issue an order. Getting
injunctive relief can take as little as half a day. <br /><br />
Best,<br /><br />
Volker<br /><br /><br /><br /></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 20.07.2015 um 17:15 schrieb McGrady,
Paul D.:</p><p></p><p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Thanks
Volker. I’m pretty sure it won’t do any good to get
drawn into a conversation about the consequences of
service providers being and permanently staying the RNH,
since that is not what is really being discussed. The
conversation has evolved well past that point and a
long, long time ago.
</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">I
would, however, appreciate your substantive thoughts on
how we balance the need for consumers who are victims of
scams and crime (even if those consumers don’t happen to
be domain name registrants or P/P customers) within the
“court order only” paradigm which on its face is
woefully inadequate to bring about a timely remedy. It
is now axiomatic in common law jurisdictions that
“Justice delayed is justice denied.”</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">I’m
looking forward to your reply. Thanks for your time.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Best,</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Paul</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';">
Volker Greimann [<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>]
<br /><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2015 9:03 AM<br /><b>To:</b> McGrady, Paul D.; James Gannon; <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly
revised proposed approach for reviewing public
comments</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;">Privacy or
proxy services do not conflict with section 3.3.1.6 of the
RAA (nor RA) as formally, the service provider is the RNH
in a proxy form.<br /><br /><br />
Volker</p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 20.07.2015 um 14:25 schrieb
McGrady, Paul D.:</p><p></p><p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Thanks
James. The ship has already sailed on option a). See
3.3.1.6 of the RA noting the mandatory requirement of
the disclosure of “The name and postal address of the
Registered Name Holder.” What this team is discussing
is how to develop an framework for exceptions to
3.3.1.6 that does not create a safe haven for human
traffickers, cyber-bullies, and other nefarious types
that would harm non-commercial users of the Internet.
It is not within our remit to undo 3.3.1.6, no matter
how many form comments are posted asking that we do
so. Our remit is finding what circumstances warrant
the exception through allowing WHOIS modification and
which do not, the means to communicate to someone who
is legitimately using such WHOIS modification
services, and the terms upon which such allowable
WHOIS modification will be terminated if it is being
used to abuse others.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Even
if abolishing 3.3.1.6 were a possibility and the DNS
wasn’t built on a series of contracts (which it is), I
see no particular upside to telling parents of
children being bullied online, geriatric victims of
banking scams, and targets of pay-in-advance credit
offers that they have to wait months while their local
court order requiring disclosure makes its way through
the Hague Convention service process in order to be
effectuated by a far-away privacy service. Although
we have heard much about protecting the rights of
non-commercial users of the Internet who happen to be
domain name registrants as well and who are using P/P
services (and we should be concerned about them), we
also need to keep in mind the other non-commercial
users of the Internet who will also be affected – even
if they have not contributed financially to the system
by purchasing a domain name.
</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">I
for one hope we can get back on track and discuss the
substantive, relevant comments and reach final
consensus on the handful of outstanding issues and get
a report in to the GNSO that reflects a sensible
balance.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Regards,</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Paul</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';">
<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Gannon<br /><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2015 5:51 AM<br /><b>To:</b> Volker Greimann; <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly
revised proposed approach for reviewing public
comments</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Agreed
Volker I would put my analysis in set A aswell.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">-James</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';">
<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br /><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2015 11:37 AM<br /><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly
revised proposed approach for reviewing public
comments</span></p><p></p><p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;">Hi
Steve,<br /><br />
these comments can be read in different ways:<br /><br />
a) ICANN should not implement policy that requires
disclosure without a court order, or<br />
b) no disclosure should be allowed without a court
order. <br /><br />
I tend to interpret the comments as being in the a)
column <br /><br />
Best,<br /><br />
Volker</p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 17.07.2015 um 21:42 schrieb
Metalitz, Steven:</p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">No,
James, we should certainly consider those concerns
but not necessarily change the report.
</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">The
single concern raised more often than any other, I
am positive, is that proxy services should not be
permitted to disclose any information on their
customer without a court order. That is not a
standard that your service or any other that I know
of can meet. We can change our report to make that
a requirement for privacy/proxy service providers.
Should we?
</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Steve
</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';">
James M. Bladel [<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com</a>]
<br /><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 17, 2015 3:35 PM<br /><b>To:</b> Metalitz, Steven<br /><b>Cc:</b> Kathy Kleiman; <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A
slightly revised proposed approach for reviewing
public comments</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Steve:</p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With respect, if several
thousand commenters raised issues that concern
them, but are not addressed by our report, the our
focus should be on changing the report, not
discounting the comments. <br /><br />
Thank you, </p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p></p><p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">J.</p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">____________</p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">James Bladel</p><p></p><p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">GoDaddy</p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;"><br />
On Jul 17, 2015, at 21:20, Metalitz, Steven <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>>
wrote:</p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">I
am all in favor of people identifying topics
they believe need to be addressed by the WG.
However, Kathy, I have to disagree with your
premise, which is that the ten thousand plus
comments reflect responses to our questions or
even statements of agreement or disagreement
to our consensus positions or report
proposals A much smaller (though still
significant) number of comments do that, and
those should be our top priority for review
and response. But the vast majority of
comments clearly are not responses to our
report. These mass comments raise a very
limited number of issues, which I don’t think
we will that much difficulty dealing with once
we have addressed the responses to our
questions and the reasoned statements of
agreement or disagreement with specific
proposals we have made. </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Let’s
get started on the more substantive comments,
starting with the questions we did pose. We
have subteams forming to start to tackle that,
and the staff (and Graeme!) are providing some
tools to try to help facilitate that. For
those who don’t wish to join subteams, again,
I agree it would be useful to identify (as you
put it) the “major issues and concerns” that
you find in the comments, with citations to
those comments that you believe raise those
major issues and concerns.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Steve
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';">
<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br /><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 16, 2015 6:34
PM<br /><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br /><b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A
slightly revised proposed approach for
reviewing public comments</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;">Hi
Don, Steve, Graeme, Mary and all WG members,
<br />
I would like recommend that we take a slightly
different approach. We received over ten
thousand comments, many coming from those who do
not ordinarily participate in the ICANN process.
They wrote to us us not only in response to our
specific questions, but also to share agreement
(and disagreement) to our consensus
positions/report proposals, and to explain why
proxy/privacy registrations are important to
them. There has been a huge outpouring
particularly on the last issue.<br /><br />
While a few topics for cataloging these comments
were presented on the call, with great respect,
I do not think we have dealt with or cataloged
all of the major issues and concerns raised by
the comments yet. Before we leap forward to
subteams and analysis, shouldn't we ask further,
in writing, and with the whole of the WG
participating -- have we gotten the topics
right? Have we created sufficient topics to
allow us to catalog the broad range of
information, concerns and comments shared with
us by so many commenters?
<br /><br />
I would like to request that we be able to take
big breath, and a slightly (only slightly!)
different approach. In preparation for
Tuesday's call, could we all skim the comments
-- with our array of expertise, insight,
knowledge of aspects of our commenter base -- to
come up with topics that we think the WG should
evaluate in tour review? Perhaps if we can
circulate the topics online, and then discuss
them on Tuesday.<br /><br />
Then we discuss how these topics/this substance
might be overlaid on the subteam process laid
out below and shared for the first time on last
week's call. We will then have both substance
and process! And we will know that we have
considered all of the major issues arising from
these important comments.<br /><br />
If we go forward now without this evaluation, I
fear we may be missing much of what the comments
have to offer.<br /><br />
Best and tx,<br />
Kathy<br /><br /><br /><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';">From:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary Wong<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /></p><p></p><p></p>
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14 July 2015 23:50<br /><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br /><b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A
proposed approach for reviewing public
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">Dear WG members,</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">Following from the WG call
earlier today, the co-chairs and staff
after some consultation would like to
propose the following approach for your
consideration:</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">1. Use of Sub Teams for
Specific Topics</span></u><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">:</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">Sub-teams comprising a few WG
volunteers each can be formed to do the
initial review of public comments received
on the three topics suggested by Steve on
the call, i.e. (1) Section 1.3.2 of the
Initial Report (on escalation of relay
requests and the handling of
disclosure/publication requests from third
parties other than IP rights holders); (2)
Section 1.3.3 (on the open question
regarding online financial transactions);
and (3) Annex E (the Illustrative
Disclosure Framework).</span><p></p>
</li>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">To assist the WG evaluate the
usefulness of sub teams, a sub team for
Section 1.3.2 can be formed first and
serve as a “test case” for the exercise.</span><p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">As outlined on the call, a
sub team will do a “first pass” through a
template, based on the Public Comment
Review Tool, that staff will populate with
all the input received on that particular
issue. The sub team will report back to
the full WG in a timely fashion, including
suggesting a WG response and/or proposed
action in relation to the comments
received.</span><p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">Sub teams may elect to do
their work via email and online tools
(e.g. Google Docs or a wiki page), with or
without supplemental conference calls. Any
calls will be recorded and transcribed for
transparency purposes, and drafts and
other documents prepared using online
tools will also be made available to the
full WG. (Do note, however, that depending
on call scheduling and timing, staff
support may not be available for all
requested calls if several sub teams are
used concurrently.)</span><p></p>
</li>
</ul><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">PLEASE VOLUNTEER FOR SUB
TEAM 1.3.2 IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN
ASSISTING WITH THIS INITIAL REVIEW.
</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">Staff will endeavor to
provide the template tool for 1.3.2 to the
sub team as soon as possible, hopefully by
Monday.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">2. Full WG Review of Other
Comments to Continue in Parallel</span></u><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">:</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">Staff will “collapse” (per
James’ suggestion on the call) all those
template responses received that were
simply a Yes or No answer to a question,
without any further comment added – these
will be reflected in the Public Comment
Review Tool accordingly, as a single
collective entry. The current Tool
(covering Preliminary Recommendations 1
through 9) will be updated in time for the
WG to begin this review on the next call.</span><p></p>
</li>
</ul><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">3. Collated Information</span></u><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">:</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">In addition to the updated
spreadsheet just circulated by Graeme, we
can also send you archived mail files of
the contributions received to the public
comment forum, should you or your group
wish to conduct searches through each
comment yourselves.</span><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-gb" xml:lang="en-gb">We hope the above will be
helpful in facilitating good progress on
the work to be done in preparation for the
Final Report.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre><p></p>
<pre>- Rechtsabteilung -</pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre><p></p>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre><p></p>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre><p></p>
<pre>Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</pre><p></p>
<pre>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</pre><p></p>
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<pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin</pre><p></p>
<pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre><p></p>
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<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre><p></p>
<pre>- legal department -</pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre><p></p>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre><p></p>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre><p></p>
<pre>Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</pre><p></p>
<pre>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</pre><p></p>
<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a></pre><p></p>
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<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin</pre><p></p>
<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre><p></p>
<pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534</pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
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<pre>-- </pre><p></p>
<pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.</pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,</pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre><p></p>
<pre>- Rechtsabteilung -</pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre><p></p>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre><p></p>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre><p></p>
<pre>Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</pre><p></p>
<pre>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</pre><p></p>
<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a></pre><p></p>
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<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:</pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a></pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a></pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin</pre><p></p>
<pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre><p></p>
<pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534</pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a> </pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.</pre><p></p>
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<pre>--------------------------------------------</pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.</pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Best regards,</pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre><p></p>
<pre>- legal department -</pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre><p></p>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre><p></p>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre><p></p>
<pre>Tel: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</pre><p></p>
<pre>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</pre><p></p>
<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a></pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a></pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:</pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a></pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a></pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin</pre><p></p>
<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre><p></p>
<pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534</pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a> </pre><p></p>
<pre> </pre><p></p>
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<pre>-- </pre><p></p>
<pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.</pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,</pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre><p></p>
<pre>- Rechtsabteilung -</pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre><p></p>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre><p></p>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre><p></p>
<pre>Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</pre><p></p>
<pre>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</pre><p></p>
<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a></pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a></pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:</pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a></pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a></pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin</pre><p></p>
<pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre><p></p>
<pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534</pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a> </pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.</pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>--------------------------------------------</pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.</pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Best regards,</pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre><p></p>
<pre>- legal department -</pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre><p></p>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre><p></p>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre><p></p>
<pre>Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</pre><p></p>
<pre>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</pre><p></p>
<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxynet">www.RRPproxy.net</a></pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a></pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:</pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a></pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a></pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin</pre><p></p>
<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre><p></p>
<pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534</pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</pre><p></p>
<pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a> </pre><p></p>
<pre></pre><p> </p>
<pre>This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.</pre><p></p>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
--------------------------------------------
Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">wwwRRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
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