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<p style="background-color: white;"><font size="3" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group
call held on </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Tuesday 18 August 2015 at <span style="color:black">14:00 UTC at: </span></span></font><a href="http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXzI03ZqpsvU1tvD9KD5J-2BgReDC6W6DkMqb2STHbreK8uPzwNCz5HQ-3D-3D_QuA5zZR9ZZ7J1F2FeF-2FOsgm1hgIDcBrAX2P7Ezxmql7ckJc4ios1-2BxObAoz2rzLSI3c4QB1NGo7bw7XrBjpRCbz74w4vzk48UxZMFoBBQBQaQ0ePdiOjdJ30sQNHkokOf-2F2p-2FBvMgKvMhzp-2B4u8fP-2BRrSytHe2KCf2HpQmtSbpezMgNTUG57PiORAPesOotpHA-2BC4pSmXJRsVmpbNaLqzvViHJVK1bBYTA6wxfBteZRI7gsJgc7XqUziXW9SlKF-2B-2F44orNKSZzUsCmeqfvS9iHGPDUD59iNTPvdDSahOPxtd2zqQfe6ptXujueEKFT3vpZkEM73bvWE7NqbhIE2X-2BqrbbPn-2BAEl4HkjJQ69lZss2n-2Fr3rG7poStj3JnB9qkyLXi47nfojAeEuCzW-2Bf6oBj-2FrakLNUzkHki31uxvHWuKEYTqsKJOeiPrkIh5pWWZDywTvAmnIRbhRAmErGT6k9vmx-2Bi48pG3DLuCUvu7p9MmVlRLJ2TKTa0uCOLuEq9Mf" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><font face="Calibri">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-18aug15-en.mp3</font></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="3"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Mailing list archives:</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br>
</span><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="font-size: 14px;"><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;"> </span><span style="font-size: medium;">Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference
on Tuesday, 18 August 2015.</span></font></p>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:Good Morning! I need to finish up another issue for the next 5-7 minutes. Will rejoin then. Thanks!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Graeme Bunton:You're maybe just a hint quiet Steve.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Terri Stumme and Kathy Kleiman are on the audio bridge</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Rudi Vansnick has joined the AC room</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:David Hughes is on the audio bridge</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Corwin has joined the audio bridge</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie Perrin:Can you up your volume please Steve, can barely hear</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa has joined the AC room</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello, sorry I am late.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Graeme Bunton:My understanding with 11 is that James' concern was understood and accepted</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:Is there a question 14?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Reminder that the "plain" Yes and No answers are the count of those that did not put in additional comments. Those that did are listed individually and are thus not included in this count (e.g. of 36 responders to
Q15).</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Roger Carney has joined the AC room</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Griffin Barnett is on the audio bridge</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rudi Vansnick:@Stephanie: + 1 as i joined recently this WG I need more time to go through all archives and history of what has been done till now</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Carlton Samuels has joined the bridge</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Morning all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:TEAC is a good model.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie Perrin:That is truly heroic, Rudi! </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:Question 11 is really question 11 and 14?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:I can't hear Steve at all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:OK - thanks!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie Perrin:Morning Carlton!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:Tx - appreciate it</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Still cannot hear Steve</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Hi Steph</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:@ Carlton, I hear him fine on AC audio and audio bridge, would you like a dial out?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@Carlton, I can hear him well too, if that helps.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Hi Nathalie. Thanks all the same but not in a place to take it.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:I hear everybody else just fine</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie Perrin:Me too, I have a hard time hearing him. </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kiran Malancharuvil 2:No problem hearing Steve through Adobe Connect for me</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady has joined the AC room</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Volker Greimann:Steve is more silent than other speakers</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul McGrady:Sorry to be late to the call. This morning did not work out as I planned!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:Hi Paul - welcome. Subteam 4 has presented - big picture of our plans and approach</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Volker Greimann:The authority of the complainant should be easily verifyable by looking at the legal grant of authority</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Volker Greimann:such is not the case for a backdoor authorization</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Graeme Isn't your angst about lacking due process?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul McGrady:Thanks Kathy!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:..and thus, not about definition of 'law enforcement' but evidence of 'due process'?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kiran Malancharuvil 2:What is backdoor authority? It is common in the United States to contract out the work of government/LE... would that be "backdoor"? </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Graeme Bunton:Point taken re: competing standards</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kiran Malancharuvil 2:They wouldn't have a regulatory or legislative mandate?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kiran Malancharuvil 2:But would be contracted and would be operating under a transfer of powers. </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Will do, Steve.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Volker Greimann:Kiran: Exactly, I am looking for legislative or other regulatory authority, i.e. easily verifyable</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kiran Malancharuvil 2:I'm missing what you're saying "exactly" about. Exactly as in it would have to be a clear letter of authority?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kiran Malancharuvil 2:Or exactly you would consider this backdoor?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:From RAA:3.18.2 Registrar shall establish and maintain a dedicated abuse point of contact, including a dedicated email address and telephone number that is monitored 24 hours a day, seven days a week, to receive
reports of Illegal Activity by law enforcement, consumer protection, quasi-governmental or other similar authorities designated from time to time by the national or territorial government of the jurisdiction in which the Registrar is established or maintains
a physical office. Well-founded reports of Illegal Activity submitted to these contacts must be reviewed within 24 hours by an individual who is empowered by Registrar to take necessary and appropriate actions in response to the report. In responding to any
such reports, Registrar will not be required to take any action in contravention of applicable law.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kiran Malancharuvil 2:MUTE YOUR SPEAKERS if you're not talking</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:mute microphones please</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Definition now pasted into the right hand side Notes pod.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:I think the SP role is to first establish a sense that 'due process' was observed. Due process in context means some standard of evidence and adjudication from which an action can be adduced.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Graeme Bunton:Interesting idea James</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:Anything that captures the "linkage" between the two docs. </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:Sorry Mary, what other definitions or interpretations?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:Not a blanket rule;</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:What is required is for a response to be 'well founded'!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Darcy Southwell:Case by case is probably more appropriate.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, I meant where the report refers to other terms and standards, e.g. IRTP, Whois Accuracy Spec, TEAC, etc.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Darcy Southwell:Agree with James that the linkage to RAA 3.18 definition is important. Differing definitions will pose significant implementation challenges for companies who operate as a registrar and a P/P provider.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Philip Corwin:Agree with james that coordinating the definition of govt. agency for RAA and PPSAI purposes seems like a logical idea.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul McGrady:Thanks Steve. Thanks Mary!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:That's right, Steve.</div>
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