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<p style="background-color: white;"><font size="3"><span style="color: black;">Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on </span>Tuesday 15 September 2015 at <span style="color:black">14:00 UTC
at:</span></font><a href="http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXzI03ZqpsvQufNa-2FQ3nA15qApF-2FSNfWza8WaTPll4f0yzsvpnRuYg-3D-3D_QuA5zZR9ZZ7J1F2FeF-2FOsgm1hgIDcBrAX2P7Ezxmql7ckJc4ios1-2BxObAoz2rzLSI3c4QB1NGo7bw7XrBjpRCbz74w4vzk48UxZMFoBBQBQaQ0ePdiOjdJ30sQNHkokOf-2F2p-2FBvMgKvMhzp-2B4u8fP-2BRrSytHe2KCf2HpQmtSbpezMgNTUG57PiORAPesOotpHA-2BC4pSmXJRsVmpbNaLqzstKpzCumvbYSGS7LFLZ1U2p8bG8BTCiTa5n040eh71mUGqPGZMigEbe1zgEF-2Ff0prftAQZ0la9baAmRWWCMUN2NXJxCzQh25VXsZLo4iWeZmJPeIMsQmVUJGRQkIx-2BowhLdSbubm58vlCI5EvqazlVf9vZ0NRcdhLTsHJqcsE-2BW9mUIsgPbF5tBJLo5Uz7hdZA0fEyAon114RcuUSdQfLjiPh2624EJGZiatYcONWOqld1NeG3bvYshKCtifHOGzTEJixzaCkKx8MmQTWx-2FZxo-2FLJLRsUkkXU0Fbg1Mq59R" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 19px;">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-15sep15-en.mp3</a></p>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgb(254, 253, 253);">Osvaldo Novoa ISPCP</span></div>
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<div style="font-size: medium;"> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference on Tuesday, 15 September 2015</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Graeme Bunton:Grabbing a Tea, brb</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Graeme Bunton:Tea'd.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:Monster Rehab? My new favorite tea.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:It wasn't "furious" it was only "brisk" and "purposeful." </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:What is Monster Rehab???</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Graeme Bunton:I prefer boring, generic orange pekoe/english breakfast black tea</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:@Holly: Iced tea energy drink.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Graeme - me too. Not sure about 'energy' drinks</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Frank Michlick:put yourhands up in the air</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Frank Michlick:I like Rojbois tea</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Frank Michlick:flavoured</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Terri Agnew:Vicky Sheckler has joined</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Apologies, we can't show Word doc comments in PDF in AC :( So, yes, Todd, if you can point them out as you go along, that would be helpful.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:But the comment "balloons" will show if you open the Word doc that was sent yesteday.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> David Cake:I'm an Early Grey tea guy mostly. I have a cup right now.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:I love the concept of "Early" tea</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Luc Seufer has joined the call</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:James Gannon and Susan Kawaguchi have joined</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Gannon:Apologies for my tardyness</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:That was a comment made as part of this individual's response to the WG's online template question for this recommendation. I don't believe any further details or explanation was provided.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Griffin Barnett has joined the call</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:So "frivolous" or "harassing." Got it. :)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sara Bockey:+1 @Holly</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Some common law jurisdictions will use the phrase "frivolous or vexatious" rather than "harassing" (which may be more of a US-centric word).</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> David Cake:I'm ok with the frivolous and vexatious language. Familiar in common law jurisdictions as Mary says.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Graeme - My guess is that we'll have to put verifiable on issues to get back to</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> steve metalitz:@Holly, agree, and as Todd noted, if other criteria need to be added to the template to fulfill "verifiable evidence" standard, it would be timely to bring them forward. </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Steve - it's on our list to do - and come back with some suggestions</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Gannon:Happy with that</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Carlton Samuels has joined</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Howdy all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:jees</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:My apologies. Multitasking again</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:Hi Carlton</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Frank Michlick:too loud</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:step back from mic, pls.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Hey Holly, I hope you shed a tear.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels::-)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:That was my question</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:will defer to James G., the booming voice of God.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> val s.::)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Gannon:Sorry for booming voices, on a bad mic today</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:How could you reach that conclusion without retaining the data from the first incident?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Vicky Sheckler:agree w/ metalitz. We often see several indicators that the same actor/s are behind multiple sites engaged in similar styles of infrining activity</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> steve metalitz:@James G, not a leap to try to ensure the information obtained is useful for the purpose for which obtained. As in my scenario, sometimes this involves retention . </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Gannon:That would have to be addressed in a different framework as this is only for IP infringement reuqests</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:at this point, they are alleged to be a "bad actor". But still a private dispute between two parties.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> steve metalitz:+1 to James G. re susan's example. This Annex is just for IPR claims. We anticipate that there would be different templates/ground rules for different kinds of complaints. </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:@Steve I have thought about it, but I fail to see other templates/ground requiring a specific template.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:IAt what point does the allegation cease to be a private dispute between parties and a trespass on the domain name system?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:I trust any other type of dispute would follow due process</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:In the interests of moving this call forward, I'll drop from the queue.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> steve metalitz:@ Luc -- security/malware etc.?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Susan kawaguchi:most of the malicious use also includes the use of our intellectual property so I am not seeing a distinction</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:they wouldn't contact the PP provider I suppose, they would go to the hosting or IS provider</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Susan kawaguchi:we use registrant information all the time to connect domain names for security issues</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Graeme?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Graeme Bunton:Here?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Graeme Bunton:weird!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Graeme Bunton:will re join room</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Frank Michlick:can't hear you</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Gannon:I out him to sleep</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Graeme Bunton:Yes, thanks Steve</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:morse code now?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:FYI we're now on Section III - Service Provider Action on Request</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Gannon:PGP Encrypted Email wouldnt be a heavy ask in my opinon</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:@James - it is a huge ask.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:@JamesG I still see law firms trying to send us 100meg UDRP complaint via email</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alex Deacon:maybe one day we will have email key management via DNS a la DANE/DNSSEC :)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:and complaining it was rejected by our email system</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Gannon:For clarity our request was only for the tranmission of the final contact details.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Vicky Sheckler:re: III.B., once a valid request has been made that meets the requirements, S.P. should be obligated to provide the information.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Vicky Sheckler:or say no and why, as Steve M is saying</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:I'm on board with Steve's comment, especially if can swap (i) and (ii).</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:Agreed too</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alex Deacon:Agree. the "encouraged but not required to" guts this whole annex.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:@JamesG - but we do have flexibility, under (ii).</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@James B, what do you mean by swap (i) & (ii)?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> steve metalitz:@ James G so you think after all this the service provider shoudl not have to respond yes or no to disclosure request?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alex Deacon:I don't believe we have ever considered an automatic disclosure process.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Vicky Sheckler:think III.B. (i) and (ii) should stay in order they are in now</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Gannon:@Steve: Persoanlly I can live with it, looking at the public comments looking for the removal of Annex E in its entirety I would have concerns.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:they can be merged</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Per Steve M, the WG had previously decided not to mandate that a provider must allow the surrender option, since current practices is that some do offer it and some do not.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:surrender = deletion. Anything else would be an operational burden for providers & registrars.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Gannon:+1 James</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:2 James B - agree with interpretation</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Yes - the intent was not to mean transfer.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:so why not replace surrender by deletion?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alex Deacon:I'd like to see the merged text before I can commenet/agree. </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Gannon:+1 Alex</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@Luc, I think the original idea was to reflect the customer's choice to give up the service</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ luc - fine with suggestion</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:but the text says the domain name, not the service (i.e. removing the proxy)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Gannon:Great work, definintley food for tought on a critical aspect</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Gannon:And I appreacite the groups from both sides of the field working together</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@Luc, probably we can rephrase to the effect of "customer electing to give up its domain name registration, resulting in a deletion" or something like that.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:customer electing to have their domain name deleted.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:would be clearer IMO</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:OK thanks - we'll take that back to the sub team!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:thank you Mary</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Gannon:Thanks all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> James Bladel:Thanks folks.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> val s.:thanks all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:thanks, bye all</div>
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