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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Holly Raiche <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net" target="_blank">h.raiche@internode.on.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">I totally agree with James G, Michele, and Phil.  The last two paragraphs seem to fly in the face of the rest of the text.  We could not reach consensus on the definitions, let alone the boundaries of what might be excluded from use of the P/P service.  I do not understand why we are contemplating any further work on the issue.  The overwhelming majority of comments did not support it.  the WG does not support it. In Phil’s words, surely the horse is well and truly dead and the only appropriate action now is a respectful burial.<div><br></div><div>Holly<br><div><br><div><span class=""><div>On 19 Sep 2015, at 9:21 am, Phil Corwin &lt;<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br></span><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div><span class=""><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">+1. While I was unable to make the last call those final two paragraphs seem out of sync with the long description of why there is no consensus on circumscribing the use of P/P services forcommercial or transactional services.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Further, as regards this paragraph—<u></u><u></u></span></div></span><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The Working Group also considered the suggestion that<b>during the implementation phase</b><span> </span>of the accreditation system, priority be given to the development of an illustrative framework mechanism for how complaints that a particular domain name is being used to carry out online financial transactions for commercial purposes should be submitted, processed, evaluated, and acted upon.  Concerns that a blanket prohibition against the use of P/P services associated with a domain name used to carry out online financial transactions for commercial purposes would have a chilling effect could be adequately addressed by developing an additional disclosure framework.  Requests for further legal analysis of when disclosure is warranted in these situations could find its home here<b>. This could be an appropriate use of implementation resources.<span> </span></b>(emphasis added)<u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div class="h5"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></b></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">--<span> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">if there is no consensus on<b><span> </span></b>the definitions of “online financial transactions for commercial purposes” or on placing any restrictions on them, then how could developing an “Illustrative framework mechanism” possibly be considered an appropriate implementation measure? There is no underlying policy to be implemented. Seems more like an attempt to beat a dead horse back to life.<b><u></u><u></u></b></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">               <u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:navy">Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif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