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<p style="background-color: white;"><font size="3"><span style="color: black; font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on </span><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Tuesday 22
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<div> Gisella Gruber:Welcome to the PPSAI WG call on 22nd September 2015</div>
<div> Graeme Bunton:Audio via computer is not yet enabled?</div>
<div> James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Morning/Afternoon/Evening All</div>
<div> val s.:Hi all</div>
<div> Chris Pelling:afternoon all</div>
<div> Mary Wong:Agenda is on the right hand side pod</div>
<div> Graeme Bunton:Welcome aboard, Deitrich</div>
<div> James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Welcome!</div>
<div> Susan Kawaguchi:congratulations Paul!</div>
<div> James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Congrats Paul</div>
<div> Carlton Samuels:Howdy do everybody</div>
<div> James Bladel:I have not had an opportunity to review.</div>
<div> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, sorry I am late</div>
<div> Volker A. Greimann:in the interest of the timeline, lets start with the uncontroversial content then.</div>
<div> Michele Neylon:sorry - was stuck in a meeting</div>
<div> Michele Neylon:listening - going to dialin now</div>
<div> Volker A. Greimann:trying to sneak stuff in for implementation will not help timelines</div>
<div> val s.:Very hard to hear Graeme</div>
<div> James Bladel:Sorry, can't really hear Graeme</div>
<div> Kathy K:sorry Graeme, can't hear you</div>
<div> James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:SUper quiet graeme</div>
<div> Stephanie Perrin:cannot hear</div>
<div> val s.:yes</div>
<div> James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Yes</div>
<div> Carlton Samuels:Yes I can</div>
<div> Mary Wong:Obviously the full draft Final Report will also be circulated for review when it is ready (per Steve's comment earlier). We just thought it would be easier for people to see what we propose to include when discussions are fresh, and "chunked"
rather than an entire new document.</div>
<div> Stephanie Perrin:That is helpful, but we need to look at it all together.</div>
<div> Mary Wong:@Stephanie, yes, that will certainly be the case.</div>
<div> Stephanie Perrin:AS long as we are prepared to take comments then and not say we already discussed that chunk, fine. </div>
<div> Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies, I only just read this now. Having looked at these comments as part of the group, I agree the last two paragraphs were not representative. I think we all have to remember is that we have to take the majority view when
giving recommendations to ICANN. </div>
<div> Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: +1 </div>
<div> Stephanie Perrin:+1 Kathy</div>
<div> Carlton Samuels:that was the case. The verbiage could be used to clarify place in point</div>
<div> Chris Pelling:Totally agree with James G</div>
<div> Chris Pelling:Can we stop flogging a dead horse ? surely we have done this justice</div>
<div> James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:+1 Chris</div>
<div> Kathy K:I think Stephanie's concern focuses on third to last paragraph</div>
<div> Carlton Samuels:@Stephanie: I think she speaks on the penultimate para</div>
<div> Kathy K:It's a very legitimate concern. Why would we encourage a practice among Providers that is flatly opposed by so many?</div>
<div> Mary Wong:Perhaps we can restate the facts to make it clearer that some providers already have some restrictions, and the WG is not making any recommendation on whether a provider should or should not do so.</div>
<div> Carlton Samuels:The suggestion by James G to delete the last 2 paras will take care of that issue Stephanie is raising. I understand she is saying explicity remove the suggestion that p/p providers can discriminate if they so choose.</div>
<div> James Bladel:@Carlton. That's what I think she's driving at.</div>
<div> Kiran Malancharuvil:if the point is that we are now suggesting accreditation standards which explicitly bar registrars from employing a best practice, that's not okay. </div>
<div> Volker A. Greimann:we dispense this section regularly though</div>
<div> Stephanie Perrin:not what I said.</div>
<div> Volker A. Greimann:it is a fallback against bad actors, not a general principle</div>
<div> James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:I tink it was more if ICANN had the legal authority to make providers do that.</div>
<div> Kathy K:"Under these circumstances, the Working Group does not believe that the accreditation standsards for P/P services should require service providers to *differentiate* the use of these services to registrants who wish to use them to enage in commercial
activities or *noncommercial activities.* (asterix = change)</div>
<div> val s.:Is there an issue with aknoledging that in this particular comment, as I think third to last paragraph does? </div>
<div> Philip Corwin:If a specific PP provider does not permit websites that it deems commercial or engaged in financial transactions to ytilize its services, then the registrant would either not have a website under protection, or would have moved on to another
provider that does. So not sure this is relevant since no such provider would ever be asked to reveal/opblish.</div>
<div> Mary Wong:@Kathy, I've noted the first change. For the second, we may need to go back and see what the WG said about using the phrase "online financial transactions" rather than continue to use "commercial" vs "non commercial".</div>
<div> Philip Corwin:"utilize"/"publish" (typo corrections ;-)</div>
<div> Kathy K:+1 Stephanie - we would like to see this document written more neutrally</div>
<div> Kathy K:@Mary - tx</div>
<div> James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Michele has his hand up Steve</div>
<div> Gisella Gruber:Carlton - please note your line is muted due to background noise</div>
<div> Luc Seufer:@Carlton - please note that 9:42 is a tad early to party</div>
<div> Mary Wong:@Steve, all - some of these comments have in fact been referred to other Sub Teams.</div>
<div> Mary Wong:The issue of retention and looking at ccTLD examples, for instance, were among these. This was noted in the staff version of the template - apologies that it is not showing in this version.</div>
<div> James Bladel:Just a note that the Board will be expected to follow the recomnendatoins of the GNSO. Thx. </div>
<div> Kathy K:There were also some comments that thanked us for opportunity to comment!</div>
<div> James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Agreed James, Board does ont create policy the gNSO does.</div>
<div> James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Or at least thats how its supposed to work =)</div>
<div> James Bladel:Mary - could you capture those action itmes to the list?</div>
<div> Mary Wong:Absolutely!</div>
<div> James Bladel:Awesome. Thanks! :)</div>
<div> Carlton Samuels:Thanks all. Thanks Steve for even-handed chairing!</div>
<div> Gisella Gruber:Thank you all - enjoy the rest of your day</div>
<div> Kathy K:Tx Steve!</div>
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