<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I should point out that many of us represent lots of other people as well. &nbsp;For example, ISOC Chapter members represent the close to 200 chapters - each with large memberships. &nbsp;Or personally, I also represent a peak Australian telecommunications consumer group with over 100 members - with those members as organisations representing, again, so many more people. &nbsp;Or consider the vast number of registrars represented by just a few working group members. &nbsp;We all represent different stakeholders. &nbsp;So please, let’s stop that discussion.<div><br></div><div>At issue is the fact that there is no consensus even on definitions - we can’t even agree on what it is we do/don’t want barred. Taking Kathy’s point (and Phil and Hames and…) there is no consensus on the most basic starting point on this issue.</div><div><br></div><div>I must be an apology for this meeting, but am comforted by the many WG members who share my concern with the suggestion that the issue of restricting use of p/p providers by (undefined - commercial/financial ???) should be further discussed</div><div><br></div><div>Holly</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;<br><div><div>On 22 Sep 2015, at 4:42 am, Kathy Kleiman &lt;<a href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com">Kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
  
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    Office of the Australian Information Commissioner wrote asking us
    not to restrict access to proxy/privacy registrations.&nbsp; But that's
    not the real issue. The real issue is "where is there consensus?"
    and there is no consensus to move forward on any type of
    differentiation of proxy/privacy registrations - now or in the
    future. <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 9/21/2015 1:23 PM, Terri Stumme wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Additionally,
          as noted in the attached "Issue Chart for the GNSO RAA
          Remaining Issues PDP on Privacy/Proxy Services", Item 6.2,
          this issue was originally brought forth by law enforcement.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Kiran
          Malancharuvil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com" target="_blank">Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Agree
                    with Vicky.&nbsp; I would also remind the working group
                    that the “minority” view calling for more work
                    includes membership organizations representing
                    thousands of voices including INTA, IACC, IPC, BC,
                    US Chamber of Commerce).&nbsp; </span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">While
                    I’m weighing in I would also reject any association
                    of these groups with discriminatory viewpoints such
                    as that people of color are 2/3rds of a human being
                    (from the notorious and despicable Dred Scott
                    decision).&nbsp; Slightly hyperbolic Carlton.&nbsp;
                  </span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Kiran</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1f497d">Kiran
                      Malancharuvil</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Policy
                    Counselor</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">MarkMonitor</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:415.222.8318" value="+14152228318" target="_blank">415.222.8318</a>
                    (t)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:415.419.9138" value="+14154199138" target="_blank">415.419.9138</a>
                    (m)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.markmonitor.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue"></span></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.markmonitor.com/">www.markmonitor.com</a></span>
                  </p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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                  <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df
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                        <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
                        [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary Wong<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 21, 2015 10:01 AM</span></p>
                    <div>
                      <div class="h5"><br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed
                        draft language to update Section 1.3.3 of the WG
                        Initial Report</div>
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                  <div class="h5"><div>&nbsp;<br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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                        <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Forwarding
                              on behalf of Vicky Sheckler.</span></p>
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                          <div><div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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                          <div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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                                #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
                                    Victoria Sheckler
                                    <br>
                                    <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 21,
                                    2015 9:22 AM<br>
                                    <b>To:</b> 'Kathy Kleiman'; <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                    <b>Subject:</b> RE:
                                    [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft
                                    language to update Section 1.3.3 of
                                    the WG Initial Report</span></p>
                              </div>
                            </div><div>&nbsp;<br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Doesn’t
                                that approach unfairly ignore the
                                comments that requested the minority
                                position?&nbsp; It seems to me that the last
                                paragraph is consistent with the
                                majority view but permits time to assess
                                the concerns raised by the minority
                                view.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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                                    [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
                                    <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 21,
                                    2015 8:58 AM<br>
                                    <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                    <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                    [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft
                                    language to update Section 1.3.3 of
                                    the WG Initial Report</span></p>
                              </div>
                            </div><div>&nbsp;<br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">+1 James G,
                              Michele, Phil and Holly. This report is
                              stunningly unsupported by the consensus of
                              the WG. It is a complete nonstarter.&nbsp; It
                              further undermines confidence in this PDP
                              process.
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              Kathy<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                            </p>
                            <div><p class="MsoNormal">On 9/19/2015 9:56 PM,
                                Holly Raiche wrote:</p>
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                            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">I totally agree with
                                James G, Michele, and Phil.&nbsp; The last
                                two paragraphs seem to fly in the face
                                of the rest of the text.&nbsp; We could not
                                reach consensus on the definitions, let
                                alone the boundaries of what might be
                                excluded from use of the P/P service.&nbsp; I
                                do not understand why we are
                                contemplating any further work on the
                                issue.&nbsp; The overwhelming majority of
                                comments did not support it. &nbsp;the WG
                                does not support it. In Phil’s words,
                                surely the horse is well and truly dead
                                and the only appropriate action now is a
                                respectful burial.
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                              <div><p class="MsoNormal">Holly</p>
                                <div><div>&nbsp;<br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div><p class="MsoNormal">On 19 Sep
                                        2015, at 9:21 am, Phil Corwin
                                        &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>&gt;
                                        wrote:</p>
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                                        <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">+1.
                                              While I was unable to make
                                              the last call those final
                                              two paragraphs seem out of
                                              sync with the long
                                              description of why there
                                              is no consensus on
                                              circumscribing the use of
                                              P/P services forcommercial
                                              or transactional services.</span></p>
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                                        <div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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                                        <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Further,
                                              as regards this paragraph—</span></p>
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                                        <div style="margin-left:.5in"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">The
                                              Working Group also
                                              considered the suggestion
                                              that<b>during the
                                                implementation phase</b><span>&nbsp;</span>of

                                              the accreditation system,
                                              priority be given to the
                                              development of an
                                              illustrative framework
                                              mechanism for how
                                              complaints that a
                                              particular domain name is
                                              being used to carry out
                                              online financial
                                              transactions for
                                              commercial purposes should
                                              be submitted, processed,
                                              evaluated, and acted
                                              upon.&nbsp; Concerns that a
                                              blanket prohibition
                                              against the use of P/P
                                              services associated with a
                                              domain name used to carry
                                              out online financial
                                              transactions for
                                              commercial purposes would
                                              have a chilling effect
                                              could be adequately
                                              addressed by developing an
                                              additional disclosure
                                              framework.&nbsp; Requests for
                                              further legal analysis of
                                              when disclosure is
                                              warranted in these
                                              situations could find its
                                              home here<b>. This could
                                                be an appropriate use of
                                                implementation
                                                resources.<span>&nbsp;</span></b>(emphasis

                                              added)</span></p>
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                                        <div style="margin-left:.5in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span></b></p>
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                                        <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">--<span>&nbsp;</span></span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">if

                                              there is no consensus on<span><b>&nbsp;</b></span>the
                                              definitions of “online
                                              financial transactions for
                                              commercial purposes” or on
                                              placing any restrictions
                                              on them, then how could
                                              developing an
                                              “Illustrative framework
                                              mechanism” possibly be
                                              considered an appropriate
                                              implementation measure?
                                              There is no underlying
                                              policy to be implemented.
                                              Seems more like an attempt
                                              to beat a dead horse back
                                              to life.</span></p>
                                        </div>
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                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Philip
                                                  S. Corwin, Founding
                                                  Principal</span></b></p>
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                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Twitter:
                                                  @VlawDC</span></b></p>
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                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">"Luck
                                                    is the residue of
                                                    design" -- Branch
                                                    Rickey</span></i></b></p>
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                                            <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><span>&nbsp;</span>[<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span>&nbsp;</span><b>On

                                                    Behalf Of<span>&nbsp;</span></b>Michele
                                                  Neylon - Blacknight<br>
                                                  <b>Sent:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>Friday,
                                                  September 18, 2015
                                                  5:45 PM<br>
                                                  <b>To:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>James
                                                  Gannon; Mary Wong;<span>&nbsp;</span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                  <b>Subject:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>Re:
                                                  [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg]
                                                  Proposed draft
                                                  language to update
                                                  Section 1.3.3 of the
                                                  WG Initial Report</span></p>
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                                            <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I
                                                  agree strongly with
                                                  James G’s assessment.&nbsp;</span></p>
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                                            <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">If
                                                  we agree that there
                                                  should be no “special”
                                                  restriction for
                                                  commercial / financial
                                                  usage of domains, then
                                                  why on earth is this
                                                  language there? I
                                                  don’t understand it.</span></p>
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                                            <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Regards</span></p>
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                                            <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Michele</span></p>
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                                                <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Mr
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                                                      Stuff:<span>&nbsp;</span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.michele.irish/" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.michele.irish/">http://www.michele.irish</a></span></p>
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                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:<span>&nbsp;</span></span></b><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>&gt;

                                                on behalf of James
                                                Gannon<br>
                                                <b>Date:<span>&nbsp;</span></b>Friday
                                                18 September 2015 20:34<br>
                                                <b>To:<span>&nbsp;</span></b>Mary
                                                Wong, "<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span>"<br>
                                                <b>Subject:<span>&nbsp;</span></b>Re:
                                                [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg]
                                                Proposed draft language
                                                to update Section 1.3.3
                                                of the WG Initial Report</p>
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                                              <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Thanks
                                                    for your work on
                                                    this guys, while
                                                    understanding that
                                                    we will be
                                                    discussing this on
                                                    the call I will
                                                    raise now my
                                                    disagreement with
                                                    the final two
                                                    paragraphs on
                                                    creating an
                                                    alternative
                                                    disclosure framework
                                                    at some point in the
                                                    future for
                                                    commercial domains,
                                                    I don’t feel these
                                                    represent the
                                                    consensus or
                                                    agreement of the WG
                                                    and would
                                                    respectfully object
                                                    against their
                                                    inclusion. I was
                                                    under the impression
                                                    that we had agreed
                                                    that the public had
                                                    shown their overall
                                                    disagreement with a
                                                    framework that
                                                    included
                                                    categorisation of
                                                    domains, my read of
                                                    the final 2 paras
                                                    seems to fly in the
                                                    face of that
                                                    agreement.</span></p>
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                                              <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-James</span></p>
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                                            <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:<span>&nbsp;</span></span></b><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>&gt;

                                                  on behalf of Mary Wong<br>
                                                  <b>Date:<span>&nbsp;</span></b>Friday
                                                  18 September 2015
                                                  20:21<br>
                                                  <b>To:<span>&nbsp;</span></b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"<br>
                                                  <b>Subject:<span>&nbsp;</span></b>[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg]
                                                  Proposed draft
                                                  language to update
                                                  Section 1.3.3 of the
                                                  WG Initial Report</span></p>
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                                              <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Dear
                                                    WG members,</span></p>
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                                              <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Please
                                                    find attached some
                                                    proposed language
                                                    from the WG
                                                    co-chairs in respect
                                                    of Section 1.3.3 of
                                                    the WG’s Initial
                                                    Report, i.e. the
                                                    availability and use
                                                    of P/P services for
                                                    domain names
                                                    associated with
                                                    online financial
                                                    transactions. The
                                                    suggested language
                                                    is based on the
                                                    reports from Sub
                                                    Team 2 and the WG’s
                                                    deliberations on
                                                    this point following
                                                    review of the
                                                    various public
                                                    comments received.</span></p>
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                                              <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The
                                                    co-chairs would like
                                                    to include a
                                                    discussion of this
                                                    proposed language on
                                                    the next WG call,
                                                    and as such we are
                                                    circulating it to
                                                    you now so that you
                                                    will have a chance
                                                    to review it before
                                                    then. If finalized
                                                    and approved, this
                                                    will be included in
                                                    the WG’s Final
                                                    Report on this
                                                    topic.</span></p>
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                                              <div><div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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                                              <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Thanks
                                                    and cheers</span></p>
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                                              <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Mary</span></p>
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                                                <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Mary
                                                      Wong</span></p>
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                                                      Policy Director</span></p>
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                                                      Corporation for
                                                      Assigned Names
                                                      &amp; Numbers
                                                      (ICANN)</span></p>
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                                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B1%20603%20574%204889" value="+16035744889" target="_blank">+1
                                                        603 574 4889</a></span></p>
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                                              Version: 2015.0.6081 /
                                              Virus Database: 4401/10465
                                              - Release Date: 08/19/15<br>
                                              Internal Virus Database is
                                              out of date.</span></p>
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