<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large">+1.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large">It is the service being provisioned. We care not a whit if you're Atilla the Hun or Joe Q Said, lately of Dewey, Cheatham and Howe.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large">If you provide the service the rules, must equally protect and be aggressively agnostic to form, look or feel of the provider.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large">-Carlton</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><br>==============================<br>Carlton A Samuels<br>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><i><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</font></i><br>=============================</div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I don't find this wording acceptable. Firstly, we had several
rounds of discussion on this in the Working group, it sounds in this
formulation as if it had not come up in the working group.<br>
Secondly, we are not proposing that ICANN regulate attorney client
relationships. Are we not regulating Privacy Proxy service
providers? If lawyers are P/P providers, I see no reason to exempt
them. Thirdly, the issue of whether lawyers will become the major
tool for criminals to escape (or delay significantly, almost as
good) revelation of their identities is huge and is well within our
remit to discuss. If indeed having a special class of unregulated
PP providers does indeed drive traffic to the lawyers it makes our
efforts somewhat in vain. I will leave it to the PP providers
present to make the argument about unfair competition. <br>
Cheers Stephanie<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 2015-10-19 11:33, Mary Wong wrote:<br>
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<div><span><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">As you’ll recall, at our face to
face meeting on Friday, the WG discussed whether there is a
need to c</font></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font size="3">larify
whether the WG</font><span style="font-size:15px">”</span><font size="3">s proposed definition of P/P services includes, or
should expressly exclude, lawyers and attorneys who, as
service providers, do proxy service registrations for
clients in light of concerns over the impact on the right to
counsel. The co-chairs would like to offer the following
language for your further discussion:</font></span></div>
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<div><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px" face="Calibri,sans-serif">"The
issue of whether or not accreditation standards would apply
to attorneys was raised in public comments. However, we
believe it is outside of ICANN’s remit to regulate
attorney/client relationships and we believe that ICANN
should avoid attempting to do so in any implementation of
our proposed policy.</font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">”</font></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Please
feel free to continue the discussion via email to this list.</font></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Thanks
and cheers</font></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Mary</font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000"><font face="Calibri">Mary Wong</font></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><font face="Calibri">Senior Policy
Director</font></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><font face="Calibri">Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)</font></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><font face="Calibri">Telephone: +1
<a href="tel:603%20574%204889" value="+16035744889" target="_blank">603 574 4889</a></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><font face="Calibri">Email:
<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank">mary.wong@icann.org</a></font></font></div>
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