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    Tx Mary.<br>
    <br>
    Hi Steve - could you please post the language that you suggested on
    the call yesterday - language that would limit the jurisdictional
    provision solely to matters in Annex E?<br>
    <br>
    Tx,<br>
    Kathy<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/4/2015 1:00 PM, Mary Wong wrote:<br>
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        <div>Thanks for the detailed follow up, Phil – staff will in
          turn follow up with Sub Team 3 as they finalize their
          recommendations on the Framework for the WG this week.</div>
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          As requested by Steve on the WG call yesterday, we’d like to
          remind everyone to <u>please raise any further questions or
            comments you may have on: (1) the latest proposed edits to
            the Framework as presented by Todd and Kathy on the call;
            and (2) the proposed new language on recommendations
            concerning de-accreditation, to the mailing list</u> by the
          end of your respective working days tomorrow (<b>Thursday 5
            November</b>). If no further issues are raised with the few
          post-Dublin changes made to the Framework language (except for
          the annex, which is still being worked on by the Sub Team) or
          the de-accreditation text, we’ll proceed to insert those into
          the next iteration of the draft Final Report.</div>
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      <div>Staff will also follow up on the proposed discussion with our
        operational colleagues of implementation issues that may require
        refinement or reconsideration of the current language of the
        WG's policy recommendations – please look out for a separate
        email on that topic.</div>
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      <div>Thank you.</div>
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      <div>Cheers</div>
      <div>Mary</div>
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          <div>Mary Wong</div>
          <div>Senior Policy Director</div>
          <div>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names &amp; Numbers
            (ICANN)</div>
          <div>Telephone: +1 603 574 4889</div>
          <div>Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a></div>
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        <div><span>From: </span> Phil Corwin &lt;<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a></a>&gt;<br>
          <span>Date: </span> Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 11:49<br>
          <span>To: </span> Mary Wong &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>&gt;,
          "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
          &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
          <span>Subject: </span> RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda and
          documents for review on 3 November 2015<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Following up on yesterday’s
                    call, and amplifying/further explaining my oral
                    comments in regard to the “Revised Illustrative
                    Draft Disclosure Framework for Intellectual Property
                    Rights-holders” ---</span></p>
                <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span><span>·<span>        
                      </span></span></span><span>Section IIA, starting
                    on page 2, addresses situations where “Where a
                    domain name allegedly infringes a trademark” and
                    thus coincides with scenarios where a rights holder
                    could employ the URS (at new gTLDs) or the UDRP (at
                    all gTLDs; and noting that most ccTLDs have adopted
                    similar arbitration procedures)  as well as initiate
                    litigation under applicable national laws. The
                    ICANN-adopted RPMs allow an action to be initiated
                    even when the identity of the registrant is not
                    known, and many national laws provide for
                    <i>In Rem</i> filings to address such circumstances.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span><span>·<span>        
                      </span></span></span><span>Subsection 6a requires
                    the rights holder (or its representative) seeking
                    registrant disclosure to provide a good faith
                    statement that “provides a basis for reasonably
                    believing that the use of the trademark in the
                    domain name -i. allegedly infringes the trademark
                    holder’s rights; and ii. is not defensible”.
                    <b>Some questions that may require clarifying
                      modifications : 1) Does the phrase “use of the
                      trademark in the domain name” mean that this
                      process is only available where the actual
                      trademark, and not an allegedly confusingly
                      similar variant, constitutes the domain name or is
                      wholly incorporated within it? 2) Given that the
                      rights holder is seeking a lifting of privacy
                      protection chosen by the registrant, is it
                      sufficient that its statement merely recite a
                      basis for believing that the domain name
                      “allegedly infringes” its trademark or should
                      there be a higher threshold – that is, a
                      requirement that the statement allege that the use
                      of the TM in the domain  <u>actually</u> infringes
                      its rights? 3) Does the phrase “is not defensible”
                      mean that disclosure should only occur (or at
                      least be seriously considered) when the domain
                      name presents a black-and-white,
                      know-it-when-you-see-it scenario such as that for
                      which the URS is designed? (Noting that in many
                      UDRP cases a defense is raised, and where it is
                      raised it is often successful.)(Further noting
                      that Section III.C.ii and iii allows the provider
                      to refuse disclosure where it has a basis for
                      reasonably believing that “use of the claimed
                      intellectual property is</b></span></p>
                <p class="MsoListParagraph"><b><span>defensible”.)</span></b><span></span></p>
                <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span><span>·<span>        
                      </span></span></span><span>Subsection 6b requires
                    the rights holder or representative thereof to use
                    the Customer’s contact details only for certain
                    purposes, one of which is “in a legal proceeding
                    concerning the issue”. <b>Is it intended that a URS
                      or UDRP filing fall within the meaning of “a legal
                      proceeding”? If so, can that be clarified as some
                      may assume it only references court proceedings?</b></span></p>
                <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span><span>·<span>        
                      </span></span></span><span>Subsection 6c requires
                    the Requestor’s statement that it “c) agrees that
                    the Requestor will submit, without prejudice to
                    other potentially applicable</span></p>
                <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span>jurisdictions, to the
                    jurisdiction of the courts (1) where the trademark
                    holder is incorporated and (2) where Provider is
                    located for purposes of any disputes arising from
                    alleged improper disclosures caused by knowingly
                    false statements made by the Requester, or from
                    Requester’s knowing misuse of information disclosed
                    to it in response to its request”.
                    <b>Given that the allegation of an infringing domain
                      name may also be subject to a contemporaneous or
                      subsequent URS or UDRP action, for the sake of
                      completeness should this agreement be expanded to
                      include submitting to the jurisdiction of an
                      accredited dispute resolution provider (DRP) based
                      upon the applicable jurisdiction rules so that
                      such bad conduct could be taken into account to
                      find either abuse of the URS or attempted reverse
                      domain name hijacking under the UDRP?</b></span></p>
                <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span><span>·<span>        
                      </span></span></span><b><span>Noting that, while
                      the UDRP and URS are not always directly
                      applicable, many of these same questions and
                      requests for clarification arise in regard to
                      Section II.C (Domain name resolves to website
                      where trademark is allegedly infringed).</span></b></p>
                <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span><span>·<span>        
                      </span></span></span><span>Section III.D states,
                    “Disclosure cannot be refused solely for lack of any
                    of the following: (i) a court order; (ii) a
                    subpoena;
                    <b>(iii) a pending civil action; or (iv) a UDRP or
                      URS proceeding</b>; nor can refusal to disclose be
                    solely based on the fact that the Request is founded
                    on alleged intellectual property infringement in
                    content on a website associated with the domain
                    name”.
                    <b>I take issue with the notion that the provider
                      should still continue to determine whether to
                      disclose the customer’s contact information where
                      a related civil action for trademark infringement,
                      or a URS or UDRP, have been initiated (presumably
                      by the rights holder, since it is unlikely that
                      the customer would do so and thereby make its
                      identity known, in which event further
                      consideration of disclosure  would be moot). The
                      request for disclosure is based upon allegations
                      of trademark infringement and a court and/or
                      accredited DRP have far greater expertise than a
                      P/P provider to determine whether actual
                      infringement exists. Given that disparity of
                      expertise, my view is that the filing of such
                      action by the rights holder should stay the
                      disclosure request and relieve the provider from
                      any further obligation to decide on it. Allowing
                      the process to continue could result in a
                      situation where privacy is violated and the court
                      or DRP subsequently finds no actual infringement.</b></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank you for considering
                    these questions and views as the WG moves toward a
                    final version of this document.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best to all,</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Philip</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Philip S. Corwin,
                        Founding Principal</span></b><span></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Virtualaw LLC</span></b><span></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>1155 F Street, NW</span></b><span></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Suite 1050</span></b><span></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Washington, DC 20004</span></b><span></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>202-559-8597/Direct</span></b><span></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>202-559-8750/Fax</span></b><span></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>202-255-6172/cell</span></b><b><span></span></b></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span> </span></b></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Twitter: @VlawDC</span></b><span></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span>"Luck is the residue
                          of design" -- Branch Rickey</span></i></b><span></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
                        [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary Wong<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 02, 2015 5:13 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda and
                        documents for review on 3 November 2015</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dear WG members,</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>The agenda for our next
                      meeting, on Tuesday 3 November, is as follows.
                      <b>PLEASE NOTE THE UTC TIME CHANGE</b> due to
                      daylight savings time in a number of countries –
                      the call will be at 1500 UTC (07:00 PST, 10:00
                      EST, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET).</span></p>
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                  <li class="MsoNormal"><span>Roll call/updates to SOI</span></li>
                  <li class="MsoNormal"><span>Continued discussion of
                      Illustrative Disclosure Framework (latest version
                      attached – please also see the note below)</span></li>
                  <li class="MsoNormal"><span>Discussion of proposed
                      revised text for de-accreditation (see attached
                      draft text) and possible data escrow
                      recommendation</span></li>
                  <li class="MsoNormal"><span>Next steps</span></li>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>For agenda item #2, please
                      note that the draft being circulated is still
                      under discussion by Sub Team 3 and is subject to
                      further revision and recommendations by the group.
                      As such, the “redlined” edits that were presented
                      during the Dublin F2F meeting have been retained
                      rather than “accepted” as changes. For your easier
                      review, please note that the main changes since
                      Dublin that incorporate the WG’s discussion points
                      and agreement in Dublin include: (1) clarification
                      in Section III.A regarding an exception to
                      disclosure in cases where personal safety is
                      endangered; and (2) an addition to Section III.C
                      (as sub-section (vii)) to clarify that providers
                      will not need to disclose if the verifiable
                      evidence spelled out in Section II is not fully
                      produced by the requester.</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>In addition, this current
                      draft includes new language on dispute resolution
                      (see, e.g., Section II.A(6)(c)). The new language
                      was inserted to cover what has been termed “Option
                      2” in the annex, concerning dispute resolution in
                      the event of disclosure due to improper
                      requests. The Sub Team acknowledges that while
                      this topic was discussed briefly in Dublin, there
                      was no WG agreement on a specific recommendation.
                      The new language in the current draft
                      document – as well as specific edits to
                      the “annex” containing Options One and Two –
                      reflects a suggestion by some Sub Team members to
                      adopt Option Two. This suggestion, which may not
                      reflect the view of all Sub Team members as it is
                      still being discussed, is nevertheless being
                      presented to the full WG for further
                      consideration.</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks and cheers</span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Mary</span></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Mary Wong</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Senior Policy Director</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Internet Corporation for
                        Assigned Names &amp; Numbers (ICANN)</span></p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Telephone: +1 603 574
                        4889</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Email:
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a></span></p>
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