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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 17 November 2015 at 14:30 UTC at:</div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On page:</div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar</a></div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>Attendees:</b></div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Chris Pelling - RrSG</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Don Blumenthal – RySG</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Frank Michlick – Individual</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Graeme Bunton - RrSG</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Griffin Barnett– IPC</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Kathy Kleiman – NCSG</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Lindsay Hamilton-Reid– RrSG</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Luc Seufer - RrSG</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Paul McGrady - IPC</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Roger Carney-RrSG</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Sara Bockey - RrSG</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Sarah Wyld – RrSG</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Stephanie Perrin – NCSG</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Steve Metalitz – IPC</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Susan Kawaguchi - BC</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Todd Williams - IPC</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Volker Greimann– RrSG</div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>Apologies:</b></div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Holly Raiche – ALAC</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">James Gannon – NCUC</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Christian Dawson - ISPCP</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">James Bladel – RrSG</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Phil Corwin</div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>ICANN staff:</b></div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Marika Konings</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Mike Zupke</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Mary Wong</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Glen de Saint Gery</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Nathalie Peregrine</div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thank you.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 17 November 2015</b></div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Gisella Gruber:Welcome to the PPSAI WG call on Tuesday 17 November 2015 at 14:30 UTC for 90 minutes.</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello, I am connecting my audio now</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Chris Pelling:afternoon all :)</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Chris Pelling:all gone quiet
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Chris Pelling:?</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Graeme Bunton:Working for me, Chris</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Chris Pelling:last person I heard was Mary I believe</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Mary Wong:@Steve, apologies - yes we'd made a further update by pasting James Bladel's email notes that he just sent, since he can't join the call today.</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Chris Pelling:ok so voice bridge was down</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Gisella Gruber:Luc Seufer has joined the call</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Marika Konings:Not sure whether it would be within scope for this group to recommend changes to the IRTP....</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Marika Konings:although it could obviously be an issue to review for future IRTP WGs?</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Gisella Gruber:Stephanie Perrin has joined the call</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Luc Seufer:we can still recommend even if it's not follow with effect</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Marika Konings:I think IRTP Part C clearly defined what constitutes a change of registrant - which I believe did factor in various scenarios.</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Luc Seufer:not sure it factors reveals</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Kathy K:I've been on hold for some time trying to join the call</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Gisella Gruber:Kathy Kleiman has joined the call</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Gisella Gruber:@ Kathy - I will notify the operator</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Kathy K:tx!</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Marika Konings:@Luc - I understood we are talking here about triggering the 60 day lock, not reveal</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Luc Seufer:sorry I meant disclose</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Luc Seufer:if a special rule needs to be included, it needs to be limited to the suspension of accredited PP services.
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Gisella Gruber:Roger Carney has joined the call</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Luc Seufer:Otherwise it would be impossible to follow for registrars. (when to lock for 60 days or not to)</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Kathy K:Steve - do we have a specific rec for the next IRTP team?</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, it's a general rec to look more specifically to P/P impacts at the moment, hence my suggestion</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Luc Seufer:in any case if those go foward they will most certainly conflict with IRTP so which one will prevail?</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Mary Wong:@Luc, hence the suggestion for a compatibility check during implementation, and also the general rec to consider P/P impacts in the next review of the IRTP.</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Gisella Gruber:Volker Greiman has moined the call</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Gisella Gruber:Greimann - apologies</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Luc Seufer:he is a monk now?</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Luc Seufer:@Mary thanks</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Gisella Gruber:Susan Kawaguchi has joined the call</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Susan Kawaguchi:sorry forgot this call started at 6:30 am
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Susan Kawaguchi:but the operator has not answered yet</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Volker A. Greimann - RrSG GNSO:this time change made the meeting more difficult</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Mike Zupke:Apologies, I need to leave for another call.</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Kathy K:@Volker - agreed</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Paul McGrady:Thanks Kathy!</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Kathy K:Tx Paul!</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Volker A. Greimann - RrSG GNSO:sorry, but the RAA language is a problem</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Volker A. Greimann - RrSG GNSO:"may not knowingly accept" is pretty clear</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Luc Seufer:Just a semantic remark, either P/P service providers are accredited and thus they have this quality of P/P service providers or they aren't and they are something else.</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Volker A. Greimann - RrSG GNSO:i.e. once we find out they are non-accredited, regardless of how we decide how they should be treated, registrars cannot accept their registrations, with all the
consequences for existing services</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Volker A. Greimann - RrSG GNSO:err, registrations</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Kathy K:that's right</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Volker A. Greimann - RrSG GNSO:also, with this language, "Rights Holder" is too narrow</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Mary Wong:I believe the premise is that this "annex to the Annex" would be triggered by knowing misuse - ie the requester gives a provider false information based upon which the provider discloses
customer information.</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Volker A. Greimann - RrSG GNSO:obviously, other third parties may also raise a complaint, even if they are not "Rights Holders"</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Volker A. Greimann - RrSG GNSO:this language is too narrowly focussed on the copyright/trademark crowd</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Mary Wong:@Volker, the idea (I think) is that it would be the requester, as defined in the main document - so we will do a consistency check for language.</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Volker A. Greimann - RrSG GNSO:best stick to Requester all the way</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Volker A. Greimann - RrSG GNSO:thank you Mary</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Chris Pelling:Is this a good time to bring up that the rights holder and requestor need to be bound
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Kathy K:yes</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Mary Wong:Note this additional language in the current draft of the framework: Under these standards, disclosure is wrongful only when it is effected by the Requester having made knowingly false
representations to the Provider. Disclosure is not wrongful if the Requester had a good faith basis for seeking disclosure at the time the Request was submitted to the Provider.Under these standards, misuse occurs only when a Requester knowingly uses Customer
contact information disclosed to it by a Service Provider for a purpose other than one of the specific purposes for which it had agreed to use such information (as listed in Section II.A(6), II.B(7), and II.C(6) of the Policy).</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Luc Seufer:how does this cope with registrations by law firms? Wouldn't they be not accredited P/P service providers which registratiopns should be denied by registrars?</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Susan Kawaguchi:Steve I am on now</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Mary Wong:Yes, the need for requester to comply with "all applicable data protection laws" is now in the framework document.</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Stephanie Perrin:This language is very specific about the surrender of jurisdiction, just trying to make sure that it is not construed narrowly, so as to deny that provision for accidental (careless)
disclosure</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Kathy K:right!</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Todd Williams:Mary makes a good point above. As we've defined misuse (use for a purpose other than one of the specified purposes), I'm not sure how that could be done unknowingly.</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Kathy K:too early Pacific time!</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Gisella Gruber:Alex Deacon has joined the call</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Kathy K:Hi Alex!</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Alex Deacon:morning! :)
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Susan Kawaguchi:@mary happy to continue working on it</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Mary Wong:Thanks Susan!</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Kathy K:It looks like there is enough time in the schedule for the work ahead.</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Kathy K:Bring it back to the meeting next week? or bring it back after we have a draft Final Report?</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Kathy K:I agree with Steve - it may take a little more time</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Paul McGrady:Flip</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Mary Wong:@Steve, yes, I'll try to make it clearer. Thanks!</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Mary Wong:I'll also follow up with Sub Team 3 to get a final draft from them for the framework before Friday.</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Paul McGrady:Thanks Steve! Great call.</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Graeme Bunton:Thanks Steve</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Osvaldo Novoa:Thank you, bye</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Chris Pelling:Thganks Ste3ve</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Volker A. Greimann - RrSG GNSO:bye</div>
<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Chris Pelling:THanks Steve *</div>
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