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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Sorry for the delayed reply. We needed to consult with a few others.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In answer to Steve’s question (“Could you clarify whether the 60-day lock provision is part of the IRTP as a consensus policy, or part of the implementation of that policy?”), the lock was included in the policy
recommendations of IRTP WG C, which were adopted by the Council and Board. There was no mention of privacy or proxy services in that part of the recommendation. So our implementation of the IRTP C recommendations was done “to the letter” of the recommendation,
so to speak. I.e., no exception was made for privacy and proxy services. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We don’t believe the PPSAI working group is necessarily precluded from addressing questions about how the to-be-created type of PP registrations interact with the Transfer Policy just because the Transfer Policy
is an existing policy. PPSAI charter question B-3 (here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/ihLRAg">
https://community.icann.org/x/ihLRAg</a>) spoke to having the WG “[c]larify how transfers, renewals, and PEDNR policies should apply.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">With regard to the point James made, during implementation of the IRTP C recommendations, we talked a good bit about how a proxy (or the beneficial customer) could disable a proxy or privacy service in a world
where consent of the other party would now be required in order to make the change in Whois. The solution to that question was to allow use of “designated agents” (see
<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transfer-policy-2015-09-24-en#II">
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transfer-policy-2015-09-24-en#II</a> at 1.1.2) to approve Changes of Registrant. I don’t believe the matter of exempting PP registrations from the 60 day lock was raised by the IRT or in public comment, although I do recall
occasionally that people would reference the work of this WG as potentially being necessary to addressing interaction with accredited PP service registrations and the Transfer Policy. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hope that helps. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James M. Bladel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net>; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PP transfer issue<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Agree, and I thought this was also the final determination of the IRTP-C Implementation Review Team. It came up several times…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black"><<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 4:22 <br>
<b>To: </b>PPSAI WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PP transfer issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">In all honesty, a removal of an accredited privacy service should not trigger the transfer lock as it does not imply an owner change. I am therefore in favor of option
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Am 17.11.2015 um 19:01 schrieb Amy Bivins:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dear PPSAI WG Members:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Here is the issue you asked staff to address by email today. This came to our attention after reflecting on the work done Friday by the “implementation issues” sub-team.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">In short, disabling a proxy or privacy service will trigger the 60-day inter-registrar transfer lock required by IRTP C (which takes effect on 1 August 2016,
<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transfer-policy-2015-09-24-en">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transfer-policy-2015-09-24-en</a> ). Although applicable generally, this issue is of particular concern following de-accreditation of a privacy
or proxy service (if transfer to another registrar is required to maintain privacy).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Here are 3 things the WG could consider doing to address this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">1. Maintain the status quo and leave the 60-day IRTP C lock in place.<br>
2. Create an exception for Privacy and Proxy Service customers, so the 60 day IRTP C (inter-registrar transfer) lock doesn't apply when/if the customer changes or removes the PP service.<br>
3. Create an exception for PP users only if a PP service is de-accredited, so the IRTP C (inter-registrar transfer) lock can be lifted by the beneficial user if the registrar has been notified of de-accreditation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#333333;background:white">Thank you!</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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