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<div>Thanks for launching this thread, Steve. I know time is short so I'll just weigh in with two quick points:</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">(1) I believe we planned to include a footnote with Implementation Guidance that "knowingly" in this context meant "active knowledge" on the part of the Registrar, via a report received from ICANN or elsewhere, and not in reference
to any mandatory "black list" of prohibited registrants that would be checked prior to issuing any registrations, and</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">(2) I am still concerned that this allows Registrars (or ICANN Staff) to interpret the requirement to mean that becoming aware of law firms or web hosts acting on behalf of customers unknown to the Registrar (e.g. implementing a
UDRP decision) would require the Registrar to block future registrations from that entity. Granted, it would not be in a Registrar's best interests to act against its own customers in this manner, but some might choose (or feel pressured by Compliance) to
do so.<br>
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On Dec 1, 2015, at 10:36, Metalitz, Steven <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Per request on this morning’s call, attached is a redline of the passage from the “Definitions” section of the recommendations (page 7 of the
clean version circulated by Mary). This is the proposal I asked James to consider accepting. I think this proposal minimizes the risk of conflict between our recommendations and the RAA. Per Graeme’s request on the call, any feedback welcomed today. Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Steve Metalitz<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary Wong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 30, 2015 8:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] FW: Final Report with updated recommendations, and next steps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Forwarding Vicky’s message (below), which does not seem to have made it to the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, November 30, 2015 at 16:02<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>, Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Steven J. Metalitz (<a href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>)" <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Final Report with updated recommendations, and next steps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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entities registering names on behalf of third parties, the WG notes that the obligations for Registered Name Holders as outlined in section 3.7.7 of the 2013 RAA would apply<a style="mso-footnote-id:ftn1" href="#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1" title=""><span class="MsoFootnoteReference">[1]</span></a>.
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