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Cheer up Paul, you can always join the WHO2 PDP after Christmas.
All the fun kids are going to be there....(That is the RDDS pdp for
those unfamiliar with WHO2...)<br>
Stephanie<br>
PS Yes we always drove on the correct side of the road....<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-12-01 18:59, McGrady, Paul D.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks
Holly. Pretty sure the Canadians still drive on the right
side of the road…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
car driving metaphor just made me realize how much I am
going to miss all of you once the final report goes in! It
has truly been a pleasure working with you all on this –
even or perhaps especially – when we all didn’t see eye to
eye initially on a topic. I will especially miss my friends
in SubTeam 4!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Holly Raiche [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net">mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> McGrady, Paul D.<br>
<b>Cc:</b> James M. Bladel; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions
section<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Folks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">First, I think James and Steve have come
up with better language - so thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And Paul - my interpretation is not that
ICANN is trying to regulate law firms qua law firms. What
we are talking about is that when law firms choose to assume
the role of management of domain names on behalf of clients.
In that case, they must do in in accordance with rules that
have been developed to manage domain names - and that means
compliance with ICANN (or what their cc manager rules). If
you choose to drive a car in the US, then you drive on the
right hand side of the road and abide by the relevant set of
rules. If you cross the border into Canada, you drive on
the other side of the road and in compliance with relevant
Canada law. In both cases, you are still a lawyer - and
bound by relevant rules for driving in that jurisdiction (
and perhaps unhappily, how the local cops view your driving
habits).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Holly<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2 Dec 2015, at 7:58 am, McGrady,
Paul D. <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks
James. While it is possible that a grumpy registrar
may attempt to stretch in order to harass a law firm
on this subject (especially if they think that
lawyers haven’t always been particularly nice to
them over the years), I wouldn’t want to be counsel
for the party that goes in to tell a U.S. federal
judge that ICANN has the power to regulate law firms
via registrars and that such regulation is at the
discretion of how each and every a registrar
individually reads ICANN’s policy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">James
M. Bladel [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"><span
style="color:purple">mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com</span></a>]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
December 01, 2015 2:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>McGrady,
Paul D.<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Metalitz,
Steven;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions section</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">Paul -<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">Acknowledged.
As long as folks are satisfied that they can
protect themselves from being declared an illicit
P/P service by their Registrar (or changing
Registrars if they are), then I'm good.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">I
think Im Ok with Steve's latest language, but I
haven't seen his revised footnote. i'm working via
mobile device now, so it's possible that I'm just
not able to view it.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">J.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">____________<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">James
Bladel<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">GoDaddy<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 1, 2015, at 14:43, McGrady, Paul D. <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com">PMcGrady@winston.com</a></span></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks
James. Since the Complainant is a matter of public
record in UDRP proceedings, I guess I don’t see
why there would be a corresponding need to shield
the identity following a transfer order. If it is
just a matter of it being easier to have it
transferred to a firm’s account with the firm as
registrant in the WHOIS rather than to a client
account with the client as registrant in the
WHOIS, I guess that is easily handled by law firms
being careful to get accounts set up for their
clients in advance. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">From
my point of view, it looks like we have a “go”
then on the latest iteration of Vicky/Steve’s
proposed language. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">James
M. Bladel [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"><span
style="color:purple">mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com</span></a>]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
December 01, 2015 2:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>McGrady,
Paul D.<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Metalitz,
Steven;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions section</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">Hi
Paul -<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">It
would not prohibit the implementation of a UDRP.
However, the notice of a UDRP decision,
accompanied by a request to transfer the domain to
a law firm representing the prevailing party,
could be interpreted by a Registrar that they
should now "know" that this particular registrant
was acting on behalf of other entities.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">J.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">____________<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">James
Bladel<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">GoDaddy<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 1, 2015, at 14:30, McGrady, Paul D. <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com">PMcGrady@winston.com</a></span></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">James,
I guess I don’t understand what part of this
would prohibit a registrar from implementing a
UDRP decision. Can you explain?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a></span></a><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a></span></a>]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>James
M. Bladel<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
December 01, 2015 2:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Metalitz,
Steven<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions section</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt">Thanks
for launching this thread, Steve. I know time
is short so I'll just weigh in with two quick
points:<o:p></o:p></p>
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I believe we planned to include a footnote with
Implementation Guidance that "knowingly" in this
context meant "active knowledge" on the part of
the Registrar, via a report received from ICANN
or elsewhere, and not in reference to any
mandatory "black list" of prohibited registrants
that would be checked prior to issuing any
registrations, and<o:p></o:p></p>
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I am still concerned that this allows Registrars
(or ICANN Staff) to interpret the requirement to
mean that becoming aware of law firms or web
hosts acting on behalf of customers unknown to
the Registrar (e.g. implementing a UDRP
decision) would require the Registrar to block
future registrations from that entity. Granted,
it would not be in a Registrar's best interests
to act against its own customers in this manner,
but some might choose (or feel pressured by
Compliance) to do so.<br>
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Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 1, 2015, at 10:36, Metalitz, Steven <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:met@msk.com"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a></span></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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WG,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Per
request on this morning’s call, attached is a
redline of the passage from the “Definitions”
section of the recommendations (page 7 of the
clean version circulated by Mary). This is
the proposal I asked James to consider
accepting. I think this proposal minimizes the
risk of conflict between our recommendations
and the RAA. Per Graeme’s request on the
call, any feedback welcomed today. Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Metalitz</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a></span></a>[<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a></span></a>]<b>On
Behalf Of<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mary
Wong<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
November 30, 2015 8:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg]
FW: Final Report with updated
recommendations, and next steps</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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everyone,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Forwarding
Vicky’s message (below), which does not
seem to have made it to the list.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Victoria
Sheckler <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com"><span
style="color:purple">vsheckler@riaa.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday,
November 30, 2015 at 16:02<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span></a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a>>,
Mary Wong <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple">mary.wong@icann.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Steven
J. Metalitz (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:met@msk.com"><span
style="color:purple">met@msk.com</span></a>)"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:met@msk.com"><span
style="color:purple">met@msk.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>RE:
[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Final Report with
updated recommendations, and next steps</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-GB">In reviewing the
recommendations on p.7, it seems to me that
the third sentence of the section copied
below is overbroad and unnecessary for the
purpose here. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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New"">o</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">“Registrars
are not to knowingly accept registrations from
privacy or proxy service providers who are not
accredited through the process developed by
ICANN. For non-accredited entities registering
names on behalf of third parties, the WG notes
that the obligations for Registered Name
Holders as outlined in section 3.7.7 of the
2013 RAA would apply<a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_ftnref1"></a><a
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class="MsoFootnoteReference"><sup><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple">[1]</span></sup></span></a>.
In this regard, the WG notes that the
consequence of this recommendation is that an
accredited privacy or proxy service provider
that is in good standing with ICANN will
therefore not be liable for the actions of
their customers. Similarly, an individual or
entity that is acting as a privacy or proxy
service, but that is not accredited by ICANN
or not in good standing, will be considered
the registrant of record, and thus responsible
for the domain name registration in question.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">It is not our place to say
whether an accredited p/p provider is or is
not liable for the actions of its
customers. While one would think that in
most cases, the accredited p/p provider
would not be, I can envision scenarios where
the p/p provider would be liable. Given
this, either the last two sentences of the
section above should be deleted (as the
second sentence I think captures the rule
for non-accredited entities acting as a p/p
service) or the section should be revised to
read as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
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style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">“Registrars
are not to knowingly accept registrations from
privacy or proxy service providers who are not
accredited through the process developed by
ICANN. For non-accredited entities registering
names on behalf of third parties, the WG notes
that the obligations for Registered Name
Holders as outlined in section 3.7.7 of the
2013 RAA would apply<a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_ftnref2"></a><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="x-msg://65/#_ftn2" title=""><span
class="MsoFootnoteReference"><sup><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple">[2]</span></sup></span></a>.
In this regard, the WG notes that an
individual or entity that is acting as a
privacy or proxy service, but that is not
accredited by ICANN or not in good standing,
will be considered the registrant of record.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">MARY – since my posts don’t
always make it to the entire list, can I ask
that you please forward it on if it looks
like it didn’t go through? Thanks! - Vicky</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">Any Registered Name Holder that
intends to license use of a domain name to a
third party is nonetheless the Registered Name
Holder of record and is responsible for
providing its own full contact information and
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lang="EN-GB">Any Registered Name Holder that
intends to license use of a domain name to a
third party is nonetheless the Registered Name
Holder of record and is responsible for
providing its own full contact information and
for providing and updating accurate technical
and administrative contact information adequate
to facilitate timely resolution of any problems
that arise in connection with the Registered
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