[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Use cases: Fundamental, Incidental, and Theoretical

Mon Aug 1 17:28:14 UTC 2016

Apologies for missing the core of this discussion while I was on a long
holiday.

For the use cases published at
https://community.icann.org/display/NGRDSTRWMO/RDS+PDP+WG+Example+Use+Cases
I see a major omission, whois used for business intelligence. Is there
someone actively working on that?
Is it too late for me to contribute?
Thanks

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Mark Svancarek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <
gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> wrote:

> +1
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> *From:* gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Farell Folly
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2016 6:42 AM
> *To:* Shane Kerr <shane at time-travellers.org>
> *Cc:* RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Use cases: Fundamental, Incidental, and
> Theoretical
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> +1 Shane
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> Le 27 juil. 2016 13:27, "Shane Kerr" <shane at time-travellers.org> a écrit :
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> All,
>
> [ Apologies for the length. I need get back to my actual job, so don't
>   have time to make this shorter. ]
>
> I propose that:
>
> * We should have a way to reject some use cases
> * Part of that motivation should be whether it is actually needed for
>   DNS
>
> This is not important now, but it will be at some point. It might be
> helpful to keep this in mind as we work on use cases.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> My thinking is that we have three basic types of use cases:
>
> Primary
> =======
> These use cases are necessary to actually be able to use the DNS
> itself. There are very few of these - almost all around configuring
> data that is needed for the DNS protocol to work.
>
> For example, you can get a domain in NL.EU.ORG
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fNL.EU.ORG&data=01%7c01%7cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7c8803fe64384b45c6343808d3b623e7df%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ZElr58dP2yDpvFLzbd61QAyBeTsU2LULOldb36mp40U%3d>
> with only an e-mail
> address, and this is not published anywhere. (Even the e-mail address
> is not strictly necessary. One could set up a system based strictly on
> login to a web page.)
>
> The recent thought-experiment (aborted because it is not in our
> work plan) about finding the minimum set of data needed to run the DNS
> would have been a good start for defining these use cases.
>
> Incidental
> ==========
> The vast majority of use cases that we see today exist only as an
> artifact of the way that WHOIS works.
>
> A long time ago a system was established that publishes certain
> information; without much thought about the long-term impact of the
> setup. Over the years people have found all kinds of creative, useful,
> and nefarious things to do with this information. However, storing or
> accessing this information has very little or nothing to do with
> actually making DNS work.
>
> For example, the DNS protocol certainly does not care what my fax
> number is, but anyone who looks up my domain name will see it. (Don't
> worry, I won't be doxed! I don't have a fax because this isn't 1986.)
> Likewise DNS software doesn't care when a domain was created. And so on.
>
> The use cases here include using RDS to track down criminals, research
> trademark disputes, create mass-mailing portfolios, looking for domain
> drop dates, and most of what people actually use WHOIS for today.
>
> Note that I definitely include technical uses that are outside of the
> needs of the DNS protocol itself. So, for example, having a way to
> contact a DNS operator when something is wrong falls into this category.
>
> Theoretical
> ===========
> We have seen a couple of proposed use cases that seem to be ideas that
> people have for useful or harmful ways that RDS can be used, but that
> do not exist today (at least not that anyone can fully document).
>
> For example, there seems to be a desire to use the RDS as a way to
> issue warrants for information about registrants. While this may be
> useful, this is not possible today (even with RDAP, I note). Likewise
> concerns about using RDS to generate to generate lists of political
> enemies probably fits into this category.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Discussion
> ==========
>
> I bring this up because eventually we should be able reject certain use
> cases. (As an NCUC member, I expect to push back hard against a lot of
> use cases defined for business or law-enforcement purposes.)
>
> I think that what I called "primary" use cases have to be accommodated.
> I think there may be some disagreement about the details, but these
> should be relatively easy to come to consensus on.
>
> On the other hand, I think that both what I called "incidental" and
> "theoretical" use cases need to be motivated more strongly.
>
> There will probably be a natural tendency to prioritize existing uses
> of WHOIS - what I call "incidental" - because someone has some
> existing processes that depend on these. I think that this is wrong,
> and that any use of WHOIS outside of what is needed by DNS needs to be
> equally-well motivated.
>
> That's about it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Shane
>
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