[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Use case for WHOIS/RDP

Mon Aug 15 20:00:16 UTC 2016

Hi Ayden,

These types of SSL certificates are pretty cheap and the verification is 
pretty simple. Can be through a verification by email or a code in the 
name servers, as long you can prove control over the domain name.

The Extended Validation SSL certificates require way more verification. 
These are the ones you usually see for web shops and have this "green" 
bar in the web browser.

Best regards,

Theo Geurts

On 15-8-2016 20:16, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> If I understand this use case correctly, when an SSL certificate is 
> purchased, your system is sending an automated message to 
> the registrant or the technical contact's email address as listed in 
> WHOIS records. If the recipient of this email clicks a URL, it 
> validates the certificate?
>
> If this is the case, I would like to understand how commonplace this 
> practice is. Are these emails only sent once, when the certificate is 
> initially purchased? I cannot imagine a significant volume of these 
> certificates are purchased on a daily basis, and I struggle to believe 
> that there could be more than, say, 200 such certification bodies 
> globally. If my assumptions are correct, are we talking, here, about 
> a use case applicable to only a handful of businesses worldwide? 
> Businesses selling these certificates for large volumes of money?
>
> The other issue I see is that there is very little verification of 
> information in WHOIS as it stands today. To rely on the email 
> addresses stored in WHOIS to authenticate a certificate strikes me as 
> flawed. Would it not be more appropriate for the Certification 
> Authority to visit the domain name in question, call the phone number 
> listed on their website, and to clarify with the contact that claims 
> to have purchased your service that they have purchased your service? 
> If the website does not list even the number for a switchboard, 
> perhaps that should raise red flags?
>
> - Ayden
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Use case for WHOIS/RDP
>> Local Time: August 15, 2016 6:40 PM
>> UTC Time: August 15, 2016 5:40 PM
>> From: Geoffrey_Noakes at symantec.com
>> To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>
>>
>> I’ve attached a use case for WHOIS/RDP.
>>
>>
>> Thanks…
>>
>>
>> Geoff
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>> *From:* Lisa Phifer [mailto:lisa at corecom.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2016 10:37 AM
>> *To:* Geoffrey Noakes <Geoffrey_Noakes at symantec.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: Use Case
>>
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>> Hi Geoff, it's <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org 
>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
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>> For further info, see mailing list archives: 
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>> Thanks again
>> Lisa
>>
>>
>> At 11:19 AM 8/15/2016, Geoffrey Noakes wrote:
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>> Lisa, what is the “WG email list” email address?
>>
>> *From:* Lisa Phifer [mailto:lisa at corecom.com <mailto:lisa at corecom.com>]
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2016 10:17 AM
>> *To:* Geoffrey Noakes <Geoffrey_Noakes at symantec.com 
>> <mailto:Geoffrey_Noakes at symantec.com>>
>> *Subject:* RE: Use Case
>>
>> Thanks Geoff and welcome back. I hope you had an excellent vacation.
>>
>> I will upload your case to the WG's table of example use cases and 
>> see that the case is included on the 23 August call agenda.
>>
>> In addition, it is best if you would also email this example use case 
>> directly to the WG email list so that any comments that may be 
>> provided on the mailing list in advance of the call will be sent to 
>> your attention.
>>
>> Best, Lisa
>>
>>
>> At 11:11 AM 8/15/2016, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> +Lisa (we had a side conversation about this), plus some Symantec 
>> employees who are involved in this
>>
>>
>> Chuck, I am just back from a week of PTO.  I’ve attached a markup of 
>> a document originally authored by Scott Hollenbeck of VeriSign, which 
>> is essentially the use case for a CA’s use of WHOIS.
>>
>>
>> I would prefer the August 23 date – I am on jury duty the week of 
>> August 29-September 2.
>>
>>
>> Thanks…
>>
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Gomes, Chuck [ mailto:cgomes at verisign.com 
>> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>]
>>
>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:53 AM
>>
>> To: Geoffrey Noakes <Geoffrey_Noakes at symantec.com 
>> <mailto:Geoffrey_Noakes at symantec.com>>
>>
>> Cc: RDS-Leaders-List (gnso-next-gen-rds-lead at icann.org 
>> <mailto:gnso-next-gen-rds-lead at icann.org>) 
>> <gnso-next-gen-rds-lead at icann.org 
>> <mailto:gnso-next-gen-rds-lead at icann.org>>
>>
>> Subject: Use Case
>>
>>
>> Geoff,
>>
>>
>> You volunteered to prepare a use case for Certificate Authorities.  
>> We hope to discuss that use case in the WG meeting on either August 
>> 23 or August 30?  Which date would work better for you?  In either 
>> case, we would need the use case to be submitted to the WG list 24 
>> hours in advance.
>>
>>
>> Hope you are having a good vacation.
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
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