[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Apologies, and some reflections on requirements

Gomes, Chuck cgomes at verisign.com
Sat Jul 2 21:13:39 UTC 2016


See the GAC Communique from Helsinki for their input on the Privacy & Proxy Services PDP recommendations.

Chuck

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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Apologies, and some reflections on requirements

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 07:51:58PM +0000, Mark Svancarek wrote:
> One more comment regarding who collects the data and who they share it with: privacy proxy services can sit between the registrant and registrar - Andrew's models didn't explicitly  mention that.   Keep that in mind when we discuss what is collected, who its shared with, and where its stored.
> 

Well, yes, but from the point of view of the registration system the registrant is actually the proxy service.  The "real" registrant in effect has an agreement with the proxy service that the proxy service will abide by the "real" registrant's instructions.  It's a matter of contract whether that happens, of course -- the registrar simply can't tell who the "real" registrant is.

I sort of alluded to this in my original remarks.  This is also part of the reason why I think the entire "accurate whois data" shuffle is such an absurd waste of time.  There is literally no way to prevent these kinds of proxy registrations from happening, because the actual proxy activity happens outside the registration context.  One can of course make them more expensive with increasingly baroque rules, but that's not the same thing as somehow managing to make them disappear.

(Compare this with the "sublet" market for rent-controlled apartments in some jurisdictions in order to see why this is the case.)

Best regards,

A

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