[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Apologies, and some reflections on requirements

Mon Jul 4 10:49:00 UTC 2016

Catalyst, hi-
I agree that we all have a responsibility to address Internet security issues.
However, in doing so, I would like to put forward that we all have a
responsibility to respect fundamental human rights and values, including the
right to privacy.
We will never be able to entirely eliminate the threats posed by bad actors. As
you said, fake email addresses and burner phones are all possibilities today. If
we put too many barriers in place to registering a domain name, we are not going
to stop those who are registering domain names for malicious purposes. They will
always find ways to get content online. We will hurt and inconvenience only
well-meaning and law-abiding citizens who rely on domain names to express their
ideas, to manage their micro enterprise, or to otherwise engage in lawful
activities.
In all that we do as a working group I would like us to foster confidence in the
Internet and to protect opportunities online for economic and social prosperity.
Best wishes,
Ayden

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 10:49 AM, Catalyst-Vaibhav Aggarwal va at bladebrains.com wrote:
The Responsibility is of the party who is driving profit or providing

service. The Registrant is the party who is to be checked for his / her

credentials to prevent misuse. The situation is alarming- this is evident

of the data being published y various Registries or Governments from time

to time related to Bogus Registrations, Misused Domain names cancelled or

and Spam Originating Domain Names. A Stake Holder from Maccabee / Norton /

Sentinel / MXBlackList / Avast etc such Engines can be referred to for

such data collection for the use of consultations.

And any such suggestion can easily be implemented with the Automation of

the entire Verification process. For Eg. Gmail has a two Step

Authentication - One on the Password and the other on the Phone Number of

the User. To begin with, the phone is the Personal verified connection by

the local authorities. A Burner Phone in the US may not be Digitally

Authenticated, but the NSA in the US has a way to it. AUTOMATED.

This can be elaborated as and when the case come up for hearing in the WG,

in a formal setting. And if this is not done today due to extensive

lobbying efforts by a particular section / Industry members, it will be

done as a Mandate tomorrow. We might as well prepare today and keep

provisions as the overhaul of the framework and the systems, is inevitable.

This is a issue regaining the safety of me, my family, I don¹t think, I am

or anybody will be willing to compromise. And the Lives being lost and the

Resources being insufficient to tract these anti-social activities are

being proven insufficient again and again, there is little contribution we

can do to the safety of us.

Sincerely,

-VA

On 7/4/16, 2:57 PM, "Volker Greimann" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org

on behalf of vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:

>I disagree. The only party that should be responsible for maintaining

>good data is the registrant. The responsibilities of registrars,

>registries and proxy services should revolve only on the correct

>maintenance of that data and on acting when informed about actual issues

>with the whois data.

>

>

>Best,

>

>Volker

>

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>Am 30.06.2016 um 22:19 schrieb Mark Svancarek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:

>> I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect accurate WhoIs data, proxy

>>services included, so long as contracts are enforced. That isn't the

>>case today as far as I can tell, but with ICANN under new management I

>>think we should hold ICANN, registries, registrars AND proxy providers

>>accountable to provide good data with penalties consistently enforced.

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org

>>[mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan

>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:07 PM

>> To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org

>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Apologies, and some reflections on

>>requirements

>>

>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 07:51:58PM +0000, Mark Svancarek wrote:

>>> One more comment regarding who collects the data and who they share it

>>>with: privacy proxy services can sit between the registrant and

>>>registrar - Andrew's models didn't explicitly mention that. Keep

>>>that in mind when we discuss what is collected, who its shared with,

>>>and where its stored.

>>>

>> Well, yes, but from the point of view of the registration system the

>>registrant is actually the proxy service. The "real" registrant in

>>effect has an agreement with the proxy service that the proxy service

>>will abide by the "real" registrant's instructions. It's a matter of

>>contract whether that happens, of course -- the registrar simply can't

>>tell who the "real" registrant is.

>>

>> I sort of alluded to this in my original remarks. This is also part of

>>the reason why I think the entire "accurate whois data" shuffle is such

>>an absurd waste of time. There is literally no way to prevent these

>>kinds of proxy registrations from happening, because the actual proxy

>>activity happens outside the registration context. One can of course

>>make them more expensive with increasingly baroque rules, but that's not

>>the same thing as somehow managing to make them disappear.

>>

>> (Compare this with the "sublet" market for rent-controlled apartments

>>in some jurisdictions in order to see why this is the case.)

>>

>> Best regards,

>>

>> A

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