[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Apologies, and some reflections on requirements
Victoria Sheckler
vsheckler at riaa.com
Mon Jul 4 10:45:17 UTC 2016
That is a complete abdication of responsibilities and contrary to traditional concepts of commercial duties of care.
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On Jul 4, 2016, at 6:24 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
Dear Catalyst,
the only checks that are going to happen are those ingrained in the RAA. It is ultimately the registrants' obligation to provide correct data. Contracted parties will act within their contractual obligations when notified of an issue with the data provided by the registrant or if the data fails the initial sanity check.
As for verification: Only email address _or_ phone will be verified upon registration. And while burner phones may be authenticated, no such security exists for throwaway email addresses.
But we are getting ahead of ourselves again. Let's keep the discussion of substantive matters to their appropriate time.
I just have an issue with the hyperbole used again and again to defend potential infringements into personal privacy rights.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin, 1775)
Best,
Volker Greimann
Am 04.07.2016 um 11:49 schrieb Catalyst-Vaibhav Aggarwal:
The Responsibility is of the party who is driving profit or providing
service. The Registrant is the party who is to be checked for his / her
credentials to prevent misuse. The situation is alarming- this is evident
of the data being published y various Registries or Governments from time
to time related to Bogus Registrations, Misused Domain names cancelled or
and Spam Originating Domain Names. A Stake Holder from Maccabee / Norton /
Sentinel / MXBlackList / Avast etc such Engines can be referred to for
such data collection for the use of consultations.
And any such suggestion can easily be implemented with the Automation of
the entire Verification process. For Eg. Gmail has a two Step
Authentication - One on the Password and the other on the Phone Number of
the User. To begin with, the phone is the Personal verified connection by
the local authorities. A Burner Phone in the US may not be Digitally
Authenticated, but the NSA in the US has a way to it. AUTOMATED.
This can be elaborated as and when the case come up for hearing in the WG,
in a formal setting. And if this is not done today due to extensive
lobbying efforts by a particular section / Industry members, it will be
done as a Mandate tomorrow. We might as well prepare today and keep
provisions as the overhaul of the framework and the systems, is inevitable.
This is a issue regaining the safety of me, my family, I don¹t think, I am
or anybody will be willing to compromise. And the Lives being lost and the
Resources being insufficient to tract these anti-social activities are
being proven insufficient again and again, there is little contribution we
can do to the safety of us.
Sincerely,
-VA
On 7/4/16, 2:57 PM, "Volker Greimann" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
on behalf of vgreimann at key-systems.net><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.orgonbehalfofvgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote:
I disagree. The only party that should be responsible for maintaining
good data is the registrant. The responsibilities of registrars,
registries and proxy services should revolve only on the correct
maintenance of that data and on acting when informed about actual issues
with the whois data.
Best,
Volker
Am 30.06.2016 um 22:19 schrieb Mark Svancarek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect accurate WhoIs data, proxy
services included, so long as contracts are enforced. That isn't the
case today as far as I can tell, but with ICANN under new management I
think we should hold ICANN, registries, registrars AND proxy providers
accountable to provide good data with penalties consistently enforced.
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On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 07:51:58PM +0000, Mark Svancarek wrote:
One more comment regarding who collects the data and who they share it
with: privacy proxy services can sit between the registrant and
registrar - Andrew's models didn't explicitly mention that. Keep
that in mind when we discuss what is collected, who its shared with,
and where its stored.
Well, yes, but from the point of view of the registration system the
registrant is actually the proxy service. The "real" registrant in
effect has an agreement with the proxy service that the proxy service
will abide by the "real" registrant's instructions. It's a matter of
contract whether that happens, of course -- the registrar simply can't
tell who the "real" registrant is.
I sort of alluded to this in my original remarks. This is also part of
the reason why I think the entire "accurate whois data" shuffle is such
an absurd waste of time. There is literally no way to prevent these
kinds of proxy registrations from happening, because the actual proxy
activity happens outside the registration context. One can of course
make them more expensive with increasingly baroque rules, but that's not
the same thing as somehow managing to make them disappear.
(Compare this with the "sublet" market for rent-controlled apartments
in some jurisdictions in order to see why this is the case.)
Best regards,
A
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