[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] On some security claims (was Re: Apologies, and some reflections on requirements)

Mon Jul 4 16:48:53 UTC 2016

We all have our ways. Some take it literal, some    Are open source. I am open to both criticism and suggestion - but when the time is right. 

The chair in this WG, has and many times, said- we will do it when v do It. Lets nt jump the gun. 

 Arguments are for policy makers, lawyers and likes, Not engineers, Solutions are for engineers !!! ;-)  especially v r volunteers :-0

Cheers
-VA

Sent from my mobile device. Typos regretted.

> On Jul 4, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
> 
> When in doubt, counter the argument, do not attack the one making it ;-)
> 
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> Best,
> 
> Volker
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>> Am 04.07.2016 um 18:33 schrieb Group CEO-Vaibhav Aggarwal:
>> Greg,
>> 
>> Wud u mean that we shud be scared if presenting pur views in a particular tune, suiting to "Chairs" ?? Or shud v b pragmatic? Accommodating? Truly global.
>> 
>> Andrew is a chair for one Comm. We all are some chair some where. And I respect. But, It's unfair to just write and throw weight.
>> It is always important ṭo respect all view points.
>> 
>> I have said before, is ICANN about individual whims or collective methodology and approach.
>> 
>> I have shown my displeasure in the way Andrew communicated and that's it.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> -VA
>> 
>> Sent from my mobile device. Typos regretted.
>> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 9:55 PM, Greg Aaron <gca at icginc.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Vaibhav:
>>> 
>>> Andrew is the Chair of the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), and is a recognized expert on the functioning of the Internet.  His questions were respectful, and it is fair for members to question the factual basis of statements made by other members.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely yours,
>>> --Greg Aaron
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Group CEO-Vaibhav Aggarwal
>>> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:15 PM
>>> To: Andrew Sullivan <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com>
>>> Cc: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] On some security claims (was Re: Apologies, and some reflections on requirements)
>>> 
>>> Andrew,
>>> 
>>> Points u have written are baseless and display ur uneasiness of learning about "How Internet works"
>>> 
>>> I won't present a retort here which is targeted to a specific individual and not try to waste anyone's time in reading.
>>> But if u are a internet conneseiur, then u wud never write a baseless argument over a suggestion. So I request back off and stick to the agenda.
>>> 
>>> Lets keep the nice nodes open to data exchange and not block the speed by writing baselessly.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> -VA
>>> 
>>> Sent from my mobile device. Typos regretted.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Responding to two messages at once.  I think there are some technical
>>>> misconceptions in the messages from Catalyst-Vaibhav Aggarwal.  We
>>>> won't get anywhere if we proceed by believing false things about how
>>>> the Internet works.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 04, 2016 at 03:19:53PM +0530, Catalyst-Vaibhav Aggarwal wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> And any such suggestion can easily be implemented with the Automation
>>>>> of the entire Verification process. For Eg. Gmail has a two Step
>>>>> Authentication - One on the Password and the other on the Phone
>>>>> Number of the User.
>>>> Actually, no.  What Google two-step authentication does is bind a
>>>> login to both a password and some other communication factor.  It does
>>>> not actually tell you who is at the other end, and can't.  There is a
>>>> serious and important difference for our purposes between
>>>> authenticating that the same indvidual is undertaking two different
>>>> actions, and identifying who that individual is when (e.g.) wandering
>>>> around in the street.
>>>> 
>>>>> This is a issue regaining the safety of me, my family
>>>> Can you say more about how you think registration of domain names in
>>>> the global DNS could (even a little bit) affect the safety of you or
>>>> your family?  In particular,
>>>> 
>>>>> or anybody will be willing to compromise. And the Lives being lost
>>>>> and the
>>>> could you say some more about how you think anyone's life hangs in the
>>>> balance due to registration of domain names?
>>>> 
>>>> Also,
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 04, 2016 at 04:28:29PM +0530, Catalyst-Vaibhav Aggarwal wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> As far as Security for the Email Addresses is concerned, every email
>>>>> server has a built in SMTP verification mechanism that either can be
>>>>> switched on or Off as per the need may be -  Most servers or Service
>>>>> providers don’t switch it on as there is a cost added to their
>>>>> overall Network Management or Infrastructure. BUT Gmail has
>>>>> implemented it. That is why we are able to see Classification of Mails in our mail boxes.
>>>> I would appreciate a pointer to the documentation of this SMTP
>>>> verification mechanism of which you speak.  I'm reasonably familiar
>>>> with the SMTP specifications, and I'm not really sure what feature
>>>> you're talking about.  If you mean the SMTP VRFY verb, I don't think
>>>> it does what you think it does, and it has been widely regarded as a
>>>> spam-promoting feature since at least 1999.  It is certainly not the
>>>> basis for Google's classification of your email, which (depending on
>>>> how you use it) depends on them reading either your headers or your
>>>> mail bodies to classify it for you.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> A
>>>> 
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