[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] possible requirements from GAC / law enforcement recommended documents

[Gomes, Chuck]

Thanks for reminding everyone of this Victoria.  It's nice not to have to do that myself.

With regard to in scope or not, I want to make sure that everyone understands that the fact that something is in the RAA does not make it out of scope and I am quite sure that that is not what Alan was suggesting.

Chuck

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From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Victoria Sheckler
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 6:40 AM
To: Alan Greenberg
Cc: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] possible requirements from GAC / law enforcement recommended documents

I believe you are moving onto deliberation territory again and I don't think we're there yet.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 5:42 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
> 
> Volker, parts of the Law Enforcement document seem to apply to the RAA in general and are out of scope for this PDP. That notwithstanding, it would be useful (or at least interesting) to know which data elements you are referring to (I suspect I know a couple, but that would be pure hypothesis on my part).
> 
> Alan
> 
> At 13/07/2016 05:16 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>> One might add that a lot of the demands by law enforcement show that they have no idea about how registrars work and demands information that registrars may not even have legal or actual access to.
>> 
>> Volker
>> 
>> 
>> Am 13.07.2016 um 04:54 schrieb Rob Golding:
>>>> Before I open these, could you say something about what might be in 
>>>> them, so that I can at least be reasonably certain you're not a bot 
>>>> infecting me?
>>> 
>>> The GAC doc essentially says that WHOIS does the job they want it 
>>> to, but they would like more validation and verification
>>> 
>>> The LEA doc is one of their "wants lists" relating to the 2013 RAA - much of it it unnecessary and even unreasonable IMHO. Some of it went into the RAA despite strong objections. Some of it was rejected during RAA negotiations, but it appeared ICANN staff took it upon themselves to add it to the RAA "between drafts" anyway.
>>> 
>>> TL:DR;
>>> 
>>> "Law Enforcement" want Registrars to be unpaid, unwilling, 
>>> contractually-obliged mass data collectors, becoming forced 
>>> participants in the continued extension of (probably illegal) global 
>>> surveillance
>>> 
>>> Rob
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