[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] possible requirements from GAC / law enforcement recommended documents

Thu Jul 14 07:48:31 UTC 2016

Hi Alan,

I actually just wanted to indicate the status of these proposals after 
they were first introduced in the RAA negotiations, not go into detail. 
Let's leave the detail for later, but I felt it important to mention 
that the reality in which these proposals were drafted was not the 
reality we live and operate in.

Best,

Volker

Am 13.07.2016 um 17:27 schrieb Alan Greenberg:
> Actually, I don't think asking Volker for a clarification on what he 
> meant moves us into deliberations, unless we start discussing the 
> merits of the issues.
>
> I was pointing out that parts of the documents that Victoria submitted 
> to us were not in our scope. And you are correct Chuck. Much of what 
> we will ultimately recommend here will end up in the RAA and Ry 
> agreements. I was referring to things such requiring a registrar to 
> give its contact information, incorporation documents and the name of 
> its CEO.
>
> Alan
>
>
> At 13/07/2016 09:32 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>> Thanks for reminding everyone of this Victoria.  It's nice not to 
>> have to do that myself.
>>
>> With regard to in scope or not, I want to make sure that everyone 
>> understands that the fact that something is in the RAA does not make 
>> it out of scope and I am quite sure that that is not what Alan was 
>> suggesting.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org 
>> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Victoria 
>> Sheckler
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 6:40 AM
>> To: Alan Greenberg
>> Cc: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] possible requirements from GAC / law 
>> enforcement recommended documents
>>
>> I believe you are moving onto deliberation territory again and I 
>> don't think we're there yet.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jul 13, 2016, at 5:42 AM, Alan Greenberg 
>> <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > Volker, parts of the Law Enforcement document seem to apply to the 
>> RAA in general and are out of scope for this PDP. That 
>> notwithstanding, it would be useful (or at least interesting) to know 
>> which data elements you are referring to (I suspect I know a couple, 
>> but that would be pure hypothesis on my part).
>> >
>> > Alan
>> >
>> > At 13/07/2016 05:16 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>> >> One might add that a lot of the demands by law enforcement show 
>> that they have no idea about how registrars work and demands 
>> information that registrars may not even have legal or actual access to.
>> >>
>> >> Volker
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Am 13.07.2016 um 04:54 schrieb Rob Golding:
>> >>>> Before I open these, could you say something about what might be in
>> >>>> them, so that I can at least be reasonably certain you're not a bot
>> >>>> infecting me?
>> >>>
>> >>> The GAC doc essentially says that WHOIS does the job they want it
>> >>> to, but they would like more validation and verification
>> >>>
>> >>> The LEA doc is one of their "wants lists" relating to the 2013 
>> RAA - much of it it unnecessary and even unreasonable IMHO. Some of 
>> it went into the RAA despite strong objections. Some of it was 
>> rejected during RAA negotiations, but it appeared ICANN staff took it 
>> upon themselves to add it to the RAA "between drafts" anyway.
>> >>>
>> >>> TL:DR;
>> >>>
>> >>> "Law Enforcement" want Registrars to be unpaid, unwilling,
>> >>> contractually-obliged mass data collectors, becoming forced
>> >>> participants in the continued extension of (probably illegal) global
>> >>> surveillance
>> >>>
>> >>> Rob
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