[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] The overflowing list (was Re: A new and rather important document with respect to jurisdiction issues)

Fri Jul 15 15:20:12 UTC 2016

My apologies if I sounded as if I want to cut off new documentation. 
But as Greg says - and I agree, noone will read every word of every
document.  But of course, if there are new developments that impinge
of what we are doing, we need to be aware of that.

And of course, we are well before decising who has access to what data
and on what terms.  The EWG started that discussion. And it is a
discussion that must be continued.  So Greg and others: I think it is
safe to say that data protection laws do apply and will call into
question what data is collected, how it is used, and who has access. 
True - we haven't even started that discussion, so it is premature to
say what data will or won't be collected and/or accessed.  But it is
also safe to say that the current arrangements will be under
discussion and debate.

Holly 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Shatan" 
To:"Volker Greimann" 
Cc:"RDS PDP WG" 
Sent:Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:45:03 -0400
Subject:Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] The overflowing list (was Re: A new and
rather important document with respect to jurisdiction issues)

 I agree with Volker on this one -- there should be no cut-off date. 
More generally, we should stick with the working methods we've agreed
to, rather than (repeatedly) re-opening them for discussion, except
under truly exceptional circumstances.  That  
 In response to Holly, the reason we are distilling and extracting
information from these resources is intended to deal with the fact
that no one will read every word of every document.  I would also
resist the urge to focus largely on comments. They are certainly
important, but the resource-gathering mission is intended to broaden
our horizons beyond the somewhat self-contained world of commenters. 
Finally, I would say that it is highly conclusory, premature and just
plain wrong to flatly claim "that the current uses of the data will
not be permitted under data protection law,"  Even laws against
murder have exceptions....  I'll adhere to my own admonition to stick
to our working methods and save further discussion on that point for
the appropriate phase of our work. 
 Greg   
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Volker Greimann  wrote:

	I think we all agreed earlier that there would not be a cut-off line
for new documents. Especially with a long PDP such as this one, we can
expect things in the real world to change, and we should take note of
such changes in our work to ensure we remain current. 

	Best, 

	Volker  

Am 15.07.2016 um 14:42 schrieb h.raiche at internode.on.net [2]:
 A really big plus one for Andrew.

 I share concerns wth those who question whether the place to start is
with uses.  It implicitly assumes that all of the current 'uses' of
the information should continue.  General data protection law
strongly suggests otherwise.

 However, we are starting with uses - and as long as everyone realises
that the current uses of the data will not be permitted under data
protection law, then let's proceed.  And yes, we will come down to
Andrew's fundamental question - what personal information that is
collection should be accessible to all - OR NOT.  And, in the end, I
am not sure how much more information we need.  From my perspective,
I know I will not have time to read all of what is on the list
already, let alone new stuff.  So  maybe let's focus on the
information identified in public comment as the critical information
for this issue and start talking about uses - what of the uses should
be maintained, and what - for strong data protection reasons - should
not.

 Holly

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Andrew Sullivan"  [3]  
To:  [4]
Cc: 
Sent: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:10:25 -0400
Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] The overflowing list (was Re: A new and
rather important document with respect to jurisdiction issues)

 On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 11:32:13PM -0400, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
 > May I suggest that we add it to our already overflowing list of
important
 > documents?

 I don't object, but I'm wondering whether there is really anything
new
 in most of the additional documents people are bringing.

 It seems to me that we have a fundamental question we're going to
have
 to answer. I know that we've decided that now is not the time for
 deliberation, so I don't encourage discussion about this question.
 But I'm decreasingly convinced that more material is going to help us
 come to any decision about balancing the desire of some, on one side,
 to have a lot of personally identifying information about domain name
 registrants; and the desire of others to ensure that such personally
 identifying information is protected on privacy grounds.

 We can probably continue to find additional examples of people
 insisting they need one or the other of these, but I do not really
see
 any way that more evidence that someone really really wants one of
 them (with all the attendant arguments rehearsed) is going to help us
 come to a conclusion.

 Best regards,

 A

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