[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] OT Re: An important technical consideration about nature of the service (was Re: The overflowing list )

Mon Jul 25 14:58:30 UTC 2016

It is not clear to me that the IETF needs to focus on the “complexities of matters concerning Registrant Data” but I will let our IETF experts comment on that.

Chuck

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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] OT Re: An important technical consideration about nature of the service (was Re: The overflowing list )

Great. Then the IETF could pay attention to the complexities of matters concerning Registrant Data.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
As you noted, I was concerned about the use of the term ‘rules’.  As you know ICANN does not establish rules for the DNS; the IETF approves the technical standards for the DNS.  I just wanted to make sure that everyone understands that.

Chuck

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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] OT Re: An important technical consideration about nature of the service (was Re: The overflowing list )

Dear Chuck,

ICANN Coordinates the allocation of Names and Numbers, by policies and programs. "Rule" may be a strong word here, slipped in from the question that I was answering, it is coordination, and the coordination happens by agreements. If it coordinates the allocation, it ought to consider itself responsible for all aspects concerning how fairly these resources are allocated, and ICANN especially ought to pay attention to the aspects related to DNS data.

By your question, "what rules does ICANN make about DNS", are you implying that DNS is free for all, in a commercial sense?

Sivasubramanian M

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
What rules does ICANN make about DNS?

Chuck

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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] OT Re: An important technical consideration about nature of the service (was Re: The overflowing list )

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 9:39 PM, benny at nordreg.se<mailto:benny at nordreg.se> <benny at nordreg.se<mailto:benny at nordreg.se>> wrote:
Inline comments

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Benny Samuelsen
Registry Manager - Domainexpert

Nordreg AB - ICANN accredited registrar
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From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com>>
Date: Friday 22 July 2016 at 15:19
To: Andrew Sullivan <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com<mailto:ajs at anvilwalrusden.com>>
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] OT Re: An important technical consideration about nature of the service (was Re: The overflowing list )

Dear Andrew,

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com<mailto:ajs at anvilwalrusden.com>> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 06:02:26PM +0530, Sivasubramanian M wrote:

> That would be a problem for me as a Registrant from another country, if my
> country were to provide stronger safeguards against the release of my data
> to LEA.

So don't do business with an Irish company?

As a Registrant, I don't make the choice to do business with the Irish Company, but the Registrar who registered my domain name or the Registry that operates that domain name at the Top Level makes that decision.

That is so wrong in all aspects
You as registrant choose registrar and compliant to accept conditions wherein there are referred to jurisdiction of the registrar

Policies to make every company providing anything anywhere do exactly the same thing?  Why not?

The obvious answer, ICANN does not make the rules in every country…
Please spare us from wasting time on such nonsense as this…

Are you saying that this discussion on use of Registrant data is "wasting time" and "such nonesense" as an individual participant, or saying this as Nordreg.se or as a stakeholder group member ?

And, ICANN can not make rules in every country, but ICANN can make rules about DNS, it can encourage good practices concerning DNS data.

On your earlier comment that "this is so wrong",  the point is not about a Registrant choosing a Registrar, but that the choice of the Registrar does not alone guarantee the data rights of the Registrant.

Sivasubramanian M

Sivasubramanian M

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